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Are we all in agreement about forum profile links?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Spaceman, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. Spaceman

    Spaceman Regular Member

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    Ive had it said that they are very weak for SEO - I dont know.

    But generally - would we say now that the following statement is true or false.

    "FORUM PROFILE LINKS - WHATEVER PLATFORM - ARE A WASTE OF TIME FOR GOOGLE RANKING PURPOSES."

    Many of the places I read would agree with the above - I wonder what everyone thinks?
     
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    Entirely depends on your niche and what you're promoting!
    "Any tool is useful if you know how to use it".
    I think alot of people make a forum profile, post some spam, slap their links in the signature and then sit their scratching their heads wondering why it doesn't do anything!

    That's not what forums are for, and it's no wonder people have no success with that method. If you've been posting on forums in your field, on useful topics, and you're providing useful information, you are going to be perceived as an expert in your field and people will click on your links.

    As for ranking, if a page ranks it's useful for ranking purposes. For example, the company I work for ran a series of tutorials. During the course of researching these tutorials we made a list of all the site which had any information that was useful to us. After finishing the tutorials we went on those forums and posted a friendly message saying that the thread had been a massive help for us when writing said piece and provided a link.
    Those forum threads show up when you search for the topic on the front page, and each of those links we made are consistantly bring in 5-10 people every single week.

    Are they going to set the world ablaze and bring in millions of unique visitors, raise our rankings and make us all rich? NO.
    Do they show up when someone googles our niche making us more visible and providing us with valuable PR and a steady stream of target traffic? YES.
     
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  3. FuryKyle

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    I think he meant automating the process instead of manually writing about your site on each and every forum. It would be a pain then to do that and it's simply not worth the time.
     
  4. SweTech

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    Sure, it´s worthless. I will sell my Xrumer straight away.
     
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    It's a pain to do it if you're intending to post 10 million spam comments by hand yes.

    If you make tailored comments about stuff you know about it takes less than a minute to post an consistently brings in traffic and makes you more visible. Just writing abut your site isn't going to convince anyone to click :p
     
  6. Spaceman

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    Guys - no no no - well sort of.

    I am only addressing forum profiles.

    I am NOT addressing posts with links, or posts with sigs.

    Forum profiles.

    Take it down to the absolute EXTREME MINIMUM.

    Create a profile - put a link in it to your site - add the URL of your profile to a link indexer.

    Do you get even 1 single snivelling rat toad of link juice to your site - the one you link to in the profile?
    Even if its a drop in an ocean - is there 1 single snivelling stinking rat toad of juice passed?

    This is where I am coming from.
     
  7. gorang

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    Forum links can't be a waste of time because they take no time to create with the right software.

    But, to be honest, I don't create many forum links. I prefer to create Web profile links, which are slightly different. I can't say for sure that Google sees them any different, but is just something I prefer.

    I know they still work because my sites are still ranking high. I've also put them to use over the past few months and not seen any real difference.

    However, I don't think it's a good idea to rely on them any more. I think the safest way to build backlinks right now is to use web 2.0 blogs with 100% unique content. Then you can build your profile links to these blogs as much as you like within reason.

    My hypothesis really depends on if forum links and profile links are treated the same by Google. If Google somehow sees forum links differently, then this is why I still have successful profile links but people are claiming forum links do not work anymore.

    This is just another reason why I have stayed clear of SEnukeX, as it relies heavily on forum profiles links.

    One technique I have found to be quite successful recently his blog commenting with this great box on auto approve blogs. Especially when used in an aids the main. So that might be something worth thinking about.
     
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    I think so yes.
     
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    Totally 100% agree. Any backlink building is now a waste of money unless it has good content behind it! i.e fresh, unique articles.
     
  10. Spaceman

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    Ive done article marketting and had NO results.

    I did it myself - and I bought into a service. I backlinked the purchased articles aswell.

    Also - press releases didnt work either.

    NOTHING - NO MOVEMENT AT ALL!
     
  11. gorang

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    Just take a step back for a second.

    One thing is true, if you concentrate too hard on a project's ranking while creating backlinks you are just going to get frustrated.

    The logical conclusion to the recent Google update is that Article Marketing holds less value. I believe this to be true. But that doesn't mean you should drop it from your arsenal. I'll PM you a very good article writing/submission service you can try. You only need to do it a couple of times a month.

    Remember, Google likes to make transitions in rankings as slow as possible partly so that guys like us can't "game" them.

    Pick out three ideas for backlinking you want to pursue, get it all worked out, do your bit for the month and then leave the site alone.

    If you want to be more proactive with your website then get amongst your target audience and point people to links in your signature etc

    SEO is the sum of its' parts.
     
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    Profile backlinks are useful. They may not carry the most link juice but i have some that have a high page authority. When Dmoz carries a page authority of 59 and one of my profile links carries 39 you can't complain about that. Sure a post link or signature helps but don't think a profile link is worthless. If it were worthless then xrumer should have stopped production on their product. They didn't stop because there are still so many buyers, there are still so many buyers because these buyers see it working. Just my 2 cents.

    Are you building your profile RSS feeds?

    Are you pinging those feeds until you see an index?
     
  13. dragonrage01

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    forum profile links count as 80% of my off site seo. Just profile links is enough to get to page 2 on most of my keywords.
     
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  14. Spaceman

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    Gorang - I am frustrated because my efforts span 8 domains and about 10 IM "tools".

    I respect your judgement.

    I however am beginning to think that concentrating on ranking a site via linking methods is now a load of bullshit. And that I must be missing something more fundamental.

    Thats where I think I sit - bullshitted out of existence by forums like this!!!!!!!!

    But then again - I cannot give up :)
     
  15. gorang

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    What do you use to gauge page authority?
     
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    Sometimes it works like that. I have sites that won't budge too, but you can't force it. The best thing to do is to move away from the keyword you keep trying to force and start concentrating on expanding your website with more content targeting new keywords. I find a website with a lot of related pages targeting keywords all the way across the niche ranks better than a 5-10 page website that has 5 anchor text keywords in their backlinks at most.

    Maybe if you create a few more pages and vary your anchor text profile you will get more results. There is always another option rather than pounding the same page/keyword that won't move even harder in hope the Google will somehow decide that you are the best site in the world and place you at position 1.
     
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    A lot of my top competitors have forum profile links show as some of their top backlinks in a highly competitive SEO industry when checking them via opensiteexplorer. All depends on the relevancy of the forum and the authority of the domain.
     
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    Do a backlink check on that specific profile page if possible. See if they're also linking to their profiles from elsewhere.

    I say this because forum profile links don't show up in backlink checkers usually unless they have some content in or are also linked to.
     
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    Spaceman,
    What's going on man, long time no talk. I'm still blasting out forum backlink creation every other day or so for many of my sites. Yes, they're devalued, BUT, they are no value less. It doesn't cost me anything but bandwidth and cycles on my server..so basically nothing.

    Ever since Panda, and actually a little before it too, i've done this for sustaining my serps and gaining footholds as well.

    Forum Profile Creation (Xrumer, Scrapeboard, Profile Link Builder, VenomSEO, etc)
    Web 2.0 Site Creations AND Content Updating (SeoLinkRobot, Linkwheel Builder, etc)
    - the key with this one is to create a new user account on these sites and then BUILD THEM OUT with 5-10 pages of content(unique) per user account. I've been very very effective with doing it this way.

    If you simply create a livejournal.com account, drop one 350 word article in there and move on and never come back..you've just wasted time and opportunity in my opinion.

    - Article marketing is still good, still do it. AMR is my weapon of choice.

    - Make you facebook, myspace accounts for each site and backlink from your profile and home pages. Pro-tip: Google LOVES social presence and will cross query across its own index to find out how recent and relevant a site is depending on who or what is talking about it via facebook, twitter, PR sites, etc
     
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  20. milans

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    The thread is about forum profiles, not forum posts.