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Are people lying about growth rates?

Discussion in 'Instagram' started by thekingwillwhip, May 17, 2016.

  1. thekingwillwhip

    thekingwillwhip Junior Member

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    Hello Blackhatters,

    I wanted to see if anyone has made the same observation as me. As background, I've been in the instagram game for about six months now. I've had accounts in a ton of different niches and am currently running a lot of accounts. However, I am getting NO WHERE NEAR the followers that many of the people in the Instagram and My Journey section claim. I am currently botting all the accounts and am at the max safe follow rate that I've found (800 follows per day). Even some of my larger accounts (20k+) are only growing at 300ish followers a day and they all have high engagement 10%+.

    I'm seeing all these journeys where people are growing nearly brand new accounts at a rate of 1k+ followers a day. I just can't understand what these accounts must be doing to achieve this growth. If they were using shoutouts, it would cost nearly 1k a week to maintain this kind of growth. Is there some kind of method I am not aware of? If there is, and it enables you to gain 1k followers a day, I would absolutely be willing to pay a large amount to be informed of how to do this. Some examples of this outrageos growth I'm talking about are:

    1. Brand new accounts growing at well over 1k daily - http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ussions/834875-0-100k-180-days-instagram.html
    2. Easily averaging over 1k+ growth per day (even when the accounts were brand new) - http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-instagram-journey-1-million-followers-4.html
    3. Absolutely mind blowing growth - http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-instagram-journey-1-million-followers-9.html

    What is the trick. At this point, it can't be just picking a good niche or having great photos. I've had both and never on any account reached over 500 followers per day. To consistently gain 1k+ a day on new accounts is absolutely insane.
     
  2. MessiahMees

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    I totally agree, I was thinking about people that were gaining 1k a day in a niche that got boosted into explore/top hashtag in the first few days of the account. This might result in a steady growth for a while, once you got this domino effect rolling I might understand how people could gane such numbers. Beside that I can't think of a way.. Really curious too.
     
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  3. loedown

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    In my experience people usually inflate a little bit.
     
  4. davidmc007

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    I can't say they are lying, but there are some tricks to increase your FB ratio and engagement which are kept as a secret, I can myself reach a 500~ with some tweeks here and there, without using any mention/shoutout service, You might also take in count that doing manual grow (correctly) will bring better results in matter of growth ratio than FL and other bots, since you are knocking the door of a user wich is on IG in that precise moment.
     
  5. thekingwillwhip

    thekingwillwhip Junior Member

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    David, I agree. However, the bot I am using chooses which user to follow based on a posts most recent interaction so it is just as up to speed as a manual user. Further, when I first started, I only did manual assuming it would provide a much higher rate of followers. While it did increase the rate, it was no where near the numbers some people are showing.

     
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    I have seen this too, and currently I only run about 10 accounts so nothing huge my accounts range from 10k followers up to 40k. I am split testing with a team of mine. 5 accounts are fully manual and the others are bots + manual. Meaning even the ones that are botting, we are still doing all the commenting/DMs/Posts manually as I have found a ratio that works.

    That being said, the thing that makes me raise an eyebrow, is even with the numbers they say they are pulling daily for FB the engagement side is kind of lacking. I don't understand why I am having conversations with multiple people and they are saying things like "high engagement" or "lot of like per post" then I check their numbers and they are between .5% to 2% engagement. If your FB ratio is high (300+ per day and say they are doing it organically without bots/shoutouts), your likes/comments should be respective to that growth. So hard to find straight shooters.

    As someone stated I think people are lying about the numbers in some regard. Also, it is very hard in this day and age to be sure it is real growth with so many ways to game the system.
     
  7. thekingwillwhip

    thekingwillwhip Junior Member

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    I agree. But in terms of gaming the system, what other ways are there apart from fake followers. To hit 1k a day is just absurd. Even if you were spending $100 a day on shoutouts.

     
  8. ndnstyl

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    Its really just variations of fake followers/likes. There are many different ways, lots of those services offered here. Like the social media panels, offering followers with likes for a monthly service. The thing is you have to dig REALLY hard to see those kind of followers/likes are fake.

    I was about to buy an account, followers looked decent & engagement looked decent. But the flags for me were the names of the accounts of the people liking/following the account I was going to buy. Weird things like the user's profile being only language "A" and even bio/posts on their profile in Language "A" and then comments on the real account those followers are posting to were Language "B". Or multiple profiles only have like 8-10 posts but all like 4 months ago and some even having the exact same set of photos uploaded to their profile.
     
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    Some journeys I take that they are going to sell some form of method at the end of their journey .
     
  10. KenTZ

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    Assuming they're being honest, the only things I could imagine are shout-outs from big accounts or trending on the front page.

    I've seen an account reach 3,000 followers and score 300-800 likes pretty consistently in just 3 weeks by getting shoutouts of a 160k account.

    Can't comment on the effect of trending on the front page.
     
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    The effect of trending on the front-explorer window is key. That's why my clients are getting/got that +-1k daily.

    Shouts are only to drive traffic, doing like is what matters (from a big account to a smaller one).
     
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    Isn't it possible that they know how to better target the people whom to follow/unfollow or comment/like, so the people are more likely to return the follow. Still, if you follow 800 people a day, it sounds quite surprising to get 1000 follows back.
     
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    It depends but it possible. You can also advertise your IG page OUTSIDE IG itself, think about it. If you follow/unfollow 500 people each day won't be the same to mass email, let's say 100.000 scraped IG emails.
     
  14. KenTZ

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    Wait, it's possible to scrape emails of IG users? How? :eek:

     
  15. thekingwillwhip

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    People rarely put their emails in their bio unless its a business / business inquires. I scraped 5 million users then scraped their bios for emails and barely reached 1k emails.
     
  16. KenTZ

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    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    But wouldn't having enough email addresses to consistently convert into 1,000 to 3,000 followers per day/week mean you can monetize on a scale that would make Instagram rather redundant?

    Honestly, the only suggestions so far that make sense is trending, shout-outs or telling a fake story to sell something.
     
  17. thekingwillwhip

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    What is the best method to appear on the explorer page? Even if a large page likes / comments on your page, it is unlikely your post will show up on its followers explorer pages. I would be willing to pay good money for a method to grow at 1k a day. Or would be willing to help someone who is already utilizing the method and wants access to a 300k+ user account base.
     
  18. KenTZ

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    A Google search tells me the Explore Page is based on popular posts in your geographical area and/or the people you follow.

    Don't know if that helps. I'm not aware of any exact methods of doing it, outside of possibly having hundreds/thousands of bots liking your own images to get it there to gain the popularity and having them promoting your main page to gain the followers to be seen.
     
  19. vini

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    I find that, if you are able to get your posts in the top of some very popular hashtags you do get hundreds of follows, specially if you're capable of doing it with every post of yours. I find many growth reports suspicious, specially for new accounts, but rather, this is possible.

    (People are mentioning FB here, why? Since its the Instagram forum?)
     
  20. Luka19

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    FB = Follow Back, not Facebook

    btw, i think that it's possible to get 1k+ followers.. i just started few weeks ago and with my little knowledge in this field, i'm getting 250+ follower by Mass following - my fb ratio is 1/4
    so hope one day i will be able to get 1k+ followers with some secret tactics