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Are my sites destroyed forever?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Calum Jones, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Calum Jones

    Calum Jones Regular Member

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    I target small niches, this new update completely destroyed every site I own. These sites are my main source of income... There was never a problem with updates before.

    The funny thing is, on one in particular, which is my main income site, all of the competitor sites remained on top. Literally nothing changed in the rankings except my site which tanked for no reason, even though the competitors are also random niche sites targeting long tail keywords exactly the same as mine. In fact I think my content was of a much higher quality, I actually wrote all the articles myself and spent a lot of time doing them, researching, making sure there were no grammatical or spelling errors etc. I didn't use black hat link blast tactics, I didn't even do it myself I've always used professional SEO services that have been around for years to ensure quality backlinks.

    It seems like it's 100% due to the fact that I use Wordpress on my sites. I like Wordpress because of the themes and plugins, I'm not a web design professional.

    Now all of my keywords are ranking on page 10+. Are these unrecoverable? Do I need to copy all the content and post on a new domain... Does anybody have a Wordpress site that hasn't tanked? I don't want to believe it's Wordpress because that would basically wipe me out of business forever. Or at least substantially cripple me enough to make it extremely difficult for me.

    I now have no money to live on. :(
     
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  2. Voidray

    Voidray Regular Member

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    I think there is the main problem. You let other people do your SEO. You can still build these sites back. Were they making you enough money for you to save up some cash for a rainy day like today? With a little time and effort you can get things back and running.

    Wordpress is not the issue at all. I have built sites all on wordpress and none were hit.
     
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  3. seo-addict

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    Definitely has nothing to do with the fact they were all Wordpress...
     
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    Give it another week. Some sites magically reappear.

    If shit goes down, clean up, scale costs down, 301 every site somewhere else, restart. "It's how we roll"

    Until Google's gone the way of Altavista, this is all you can do if you depend on their shit updates.
     
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    whynotmakeit Power Member

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    professional SEO services........ ??? suspect there is your problem. doubt it is wordpress
     
  6. Calum Jones

    Calum Jones Regular Member

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    As for the money I have saved up for a rainy day, I do have money to try and fight back, but I read a lot of people here saying that if your site got slapped by Penguin it's game over and you're never going to regain your old positions. That's something which concerns me.

    The services I've always used are all 3 or more years old with great reviews and repeat customers (including on BHW), there are some services posted on here that I've noticed have steamrolled through every update though I haven't used them myself (people say the Sherlock one is really good and got BETTER when 2.1 rolled out).

    By the way, when you say 301 them somewhere else, do you just redirect them somewhere completely random like to Google or something?
     
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    Curious -- Did you have a lot of GSA/Xrumer links? Did you have any High PR links at all... i.e. blog network links?
     
  8. GrabTheCheese

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    Try to switch to a different SEO provider.
     
  9. Calum Jones

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    No, also I'm not sure about High PR links but some of the sites I have backlinks from have a high domain authority. I don't really understand SEO myself or how to do it which is why I tend to outsource, if I go on Opensiteexplorer which statistics should I look at? When I go on the "top pages" tab for my main income site, it says I have a page authority of 40, 140 Linking Root Domains and 2,800 inbound links.

    Maybe I'll just blitz it, copy everything I have and put it on a new site?
     
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    I would suggest starting with new websites. Highly unlikely you will fully recover those sites.
     
  11. SH-M

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    Hello OP,

    I do not rank websites and I'm not a professional SEO in order to give some valuable information or advice.

    However, if you think that every Google update will cause a "game over" for SEO guys and not leave them a chance to get back at it again, you are approaching this game with the wrong mindset.

    Google can (and surely will) update throughout their whole existence, quite logical. Anyway, someone truly passionate and skilled on this will always find ways to twist, by ranking and monetizing webpages like before, and maybe as you mentioned about Sherlock, could do even better than before.

    Never give up and never stop working, it will pay off sooner than you think. Twist and scale, it's all about that.

    Moreover, let this be a lesson for the future. If you have only one income channel, it is never secure. Try having at least 2-3 before you can truly say I'm screwed and GAME OVER.
     
  12. Calum Jones

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    Thanks for the words. I'm never going to throw in the towel, but of course it's a real downer for all of us when things like this happen.

    Just out of curiosity, are there any SEO services on here which are almost 100% whitehat, or have historically pulled through updates well? I have a new site I've been developing that's ready to start ranking.
     
  13. Voidray

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    The issue is not really about whitehat or not. Nothing is really whitehat at all for SEO. There is either linkbuilding or not linkbuilding. Google does not give approval to anything other than what they have said before about a few quality directories like Yahoo and Dmoz being fine. What this means is they have the power to slap whatever they want for any reason they want. All you can do is play the game and manipulate the system as much as possible while remaining as close to the edge as possible in terms of what is supposedly acceptable and not.

    My recommendation is get as many high quality links as possible, whitehat or blackhat or mexican hat... Whatever hat you want to call it. Just make sure the site you get the links from looks and smells quality. Meaning age, domain authority, clean link profile and legit content.
     
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  14. Calum Jones

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    Thanks for your PM, it's nice that you would offer to help me, unfortunately I can't respond right now as BHW says my post count is too low. Do you know of any services that offer the high quality links you speak of?
     
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  15. TheLinkGuy

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    Wordpress has nothing to do with it at all and neither does your content.

    Backlinks are the issue and it sounds like you were penalized. You need to clean up your backlink profile ASAP chances are.

    PM Me I can refer you to someone that can do that for you.