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Are my fears of failing in the SEO business false?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by f30d0r, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. f30d0r

    f30d0r Newbie

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    Hi guys,

    I am starting my SEO business and will basically be using the following as guidelines.

    On-site SEO:
    organicseospecialist .ne t/101-claimed-seo-secrets
    seowebmastertips .co m/2010/11/17/there-is-no-hidden-trick-about-link-building/

    Off-site SEO:
    blackhatworld .co m/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/222927-method-how-create-tons-backlinks-scrapebox.html
    blackhatworld .co m/blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/3391-link-building-tips.html
    + social networking on twitter, facebook etc

    Do I need anything else to have a successful business? I've heard that besides scrapebox I need all these other tools:

    SEO Powersuite
    SENUkeX
    Bookmarking Demon
    Linkpushing

    What is the difference, and are they really needed to produce results or will the guidlines and guides i've presented above be enough to get my clients desired results? Do I even need scrapebox?

    Just very confused because at the moment my mindset is that without blackhat tools, there is no success in the SEO business. Am I wrong in thinking this?

    Thanks

    P.S. Wouldn't let me post urls. Had to cut them up.
     
  2. dankerman666

    dankerman666 Regular Member

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    Whitehat is the harder route but it is always worth it in the end because your backlinks and your rankings stick.

    You would be in some thick water if you had your clients site indexed. Use blackhat to power up properties, not directly to your money site.

    Some will say against this but I like to play it safe, and I can rest easy knowing I put in some good work to get great rankings for my customers. Don't take shortcuts is all I am trying to say, they will bite ya in the azz eventually.
     
  3. f30d0r

    f30d0r Newbie

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    I plan on using the blackhat tools on websites that will LINK to my client's site, instead of directly spamming my clients links.

    Maybe like using tinyurl and have it redirect to the client site. Would that be a safe method?
     
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    I would stop and take a hard look about what your fixing to do. If your not sure on what tools you need or how to really go about ranking websites then i would say at this point you should not take on any customers.

    SEO game is ever changing. This is not something that you can go read one or two sites about and then go out and start the business.

    If you are wanting to do seo for local business there is a different things that you need to do for these type sites that you dont do with affiliate sites.

    I would say test your skills first before you go out and start marketing the service. Know that when you take a customer on that you can rank there site.

    Yes if you understand the seo game you can make some really good money.

    Most customers want to see sites that you have ranked for terms. Dont show them sites with terms like billy bobs farm goods that gets no searches. this will kill you in the long run if another company comes around your customer and shows them a real site that gets a ton of searches and has a ranking for a competive term

    Best of luck to you.
     
  5. f30d0r

    f30d0r Newbie

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    I had around #3 ranking for "IRC Webchat" within a week for our website from scratch until we decided it was bringing in more spam than users and dropped the content and replaced the website with some javascript and just a plain old chat launcher with no content.

    We're still on page 2 on bing. I know what I'm doing. I can do the white hat hand-work very well. It just takes too much time, which is why I'm trying to look into the blackhat method before starting the business.
     
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  6. f30d0r

    f30d0r Newbie

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    And "IRC webchat" gets around 50k searches per month last I checked.
     
  7. nettlestein

    nettlestein Registered Member

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    good advice it take time OP but if you know it will be test test and change then you will do it

    it hard but keep in and it will all be good for you OP

    read what above said and re-read over over over

    also lot of what is said on sites outside of this is stuff to not help

    if someone work good with method they wont tell

    also tool only work good like SB and similar if you know how to already rank sites if not then tool just cost $$$ and you end up spending time to learn from mistakes

    good luck and keep at it!!!!!
     
  8. nettlestein

    nettlestein Registered Member

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    on G say around 50k world and 1k usa for term

    good job on ranking and wow i bet lot of spam from rank high for that


    also tool you get because you do know how rank site will be like hiring others so take tool as virtual people

    once you get tool down then you have made more of yourself

    you got it man just keep dive in and BAM you will be in the $$$ and meet new people aka clients

    then word of mouth from client and so on and so on !!
     
  9. f30d0r

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    Thanks. I'm confident I'll find clients. I know where to look and have many contacts.

    It seems that the only real must have tools are scrapebox, some article submission/spinning software and bookmark site submit software and some rank report in order to provide results. The rest (granted you're crafty and/or tech savvy enough) could all be done by hand.

    Tell me if I'm missing anything here.