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Are Keyword Anchors Needed for Ranking Improvements?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by darulez, Apr 22, 2017.

  1. darulez

    darulez Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I think, this will be suited more fore the pro guys here that done some studies in the past...

    Lets say you got a site in some competitive environment.

    You order the usual "1000$ 10x100 $ blogposts" on real sites.
    but in the anchor, you put your URL, brandname, domain, etc.. but never with any keyword anchors.

    paid post is nicely done with "your ranking keyword" in content, h1, and title.

    could this be enough or would you still need some phrases or exact match links to pump the site into rankings?

    Without any keyword anchors, on page densitiy would have to be in some very high % - i Know that.

    but the questions stands:

    can you rank without keyword anchors or phrases without keywords in them?
     
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    Absolutely!

    Will the rankings improve if the same backlinks has some keywords on it as anchor text?
    Absolutely!

    Will the rankings tank if anchor texts are overused?
    Absolutely!
     
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    Own experience?
     
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    I think that if you paid 100 $ for a single post - then you should use anchor text (exact match or at least full match with generic words). Relevant post donor is good but you must tell google that your money page is relevant to this very keyword using anchor text. These are my thoughts - I have never spent 100 $ for a guest post without putting anchor phrase.
     
  6. Fab1j0

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    If you ask me after all latest google updates, google wants just natural way for backlinks with less that 1% exact match anchor or even none. I asked my self many times, why the fuck we need to backlink to our money website with exact anchor to get best results for ranking? Let me explain this more.. For example i bought some pbn backlink and give them request to write about "targeting keyword" and as anchor use only naked domain url for that inner page.. My thinking is, that google will auto recognize that PBN article is talking about "targeting keyword" and don't need anymore exact match anchor as a backlink type.

    Ok my second question that is going in my mind all the time.. If you give your wife, friend or anyone link to something, would you give it to him as "look at that can't be real, please check out "targeting keyword"? Or you will just simply copy and paste the URL of the website and do it that way "look at that can't be real, please check out this http://blabla.com.

    Or let make it more easier to understand... Let's say your 10 years old daughter or son is using facebook and he or her just found amazing website, that want to share with their friends. Would he or she type in email for example like this: hey man check this "targeting keyword" or hey man check this http://blabla.com. I'm all in for second version http://blabla.com and that way is natural and that is the thing that google want from us. Think like you are ordinary user and don't know anything about the SEO and you just browsing and sharing in natural way most with naked url version.

    So in short: Use mostly brandable text, naked urls... Include a very litle 5% generic,lsi, secondary stuff... And maybe 1% exact anchor.

    And i'm far away from being SEO EXPERT :).. Also if you do this way, you don't have any fear about next coming google updates. And yes my answer to your question is, that exact match anchor is not needed anymore to rank. But the onpage seo still need's to be perfect and optimized for that keyword you are trying to rank.
     
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  7. Fab1j0

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    Also another example..I'm very addicted to cars and speed.. So if i speak with my friend which Turbo upgrade is good for my car, i will say him please suggest me which turbo is good at https://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/. Or brand text would go also like "Garrett".
     
  8. MikeyMikey13

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    Ehh it really depends on your market imo.

    I have a new site that I used 100% brand on it for and it ranks 8th right now. A few different types of PBN's were used, not just standard shitty changed content ones.

    But then I have another site that didn't budge with brand, then dripped in a few exacts and I saw a boost.

    You need to incorporate them after you've hit a ranking plateau
     
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    It all depends upon your niche, but they do help but they are the same time one of the main reasons for penalties.
     
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    I got some strange site that wont move in serps though it is strong.
    I am atm tweaking on page density up % by %, to see what happens.
    then, I will add some keyword anchors a bit more to it.
    really strange......
     
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    Now I see where the problem is. I'm 99% sure your internal linking is what weighing your site down on the serps. Crawl it with ScreamFrog/Website Auditor and import that report into excel. Download your backlinks report from ahrefs/majestic. Combine both the reports matching the backlinks with its url to find out what other url(s) are not getting the link juice and link those pages from all other urls which are all backlinked.

    If the internal linking is good, then another sure fire way to bump up your SERPs is by adding 1000+ keyword rich article with 4-5 H1 tags on the homepage. Mix it up with some images too with keyword-rich-filename.

    That should push you a few slots above.
     
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    what about 100% lsi? they are not exact match so you dont tank but they are all related

    @SpoonFeeder why in the hell u would do 5 h1 in one article..


    imo exact match are very welcome by google if we only do small % of them. thats why they should be our strongest links but i guess that was known long ago


    @darulez i also have some barely indexable articles that dont rank on low comp even if they are well linked (about 3 out of 12 articles are in this condition).

    i also just dropped now from #3 to #15 on extremely low comp easy kw that i even was #1 on multiple of my sites. weird stuff
     
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    ... yeah. I got 2 sites with some great keywords, one is sitting on #15 and wont move for MONTHS.
    the other one is, I know, in some fknk high comp, but also not moving, no matter what I do and how long I wait AFTER I do sth...

    BUT, spoonfeeder gave me some idea to perhaps boost that / a bit.


    but first i need to find out if it isdensity related
     
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    @aidenhera To improve the ranking., obviously. If you haven't tested it before., you must definitely give it a shot to see what I'm talking about.
     
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    I have a method I follow that I took from an article a while back I'll see if I can find it but the way it goes is the following.

    You use majestic or whatever back link viewing tool you have access to and then you make a chart of your top five competitors for that word the chart should then include all of the back links from the competitors categorized into the following categories exact match money keyword and word match, brand name, URL, other.

    Once you get these numbers in a chart in Excel for example create a pie chart of them and see what percentage in each category your competition has. The theory goes that for each keyword the type of links average will be slightly different and for each niche it could be different so what I then do is I try to duplicate the top ranker's as much as possible but slightly outdo them until im #1 for example.

    If my site has 40% exact match 10% brand match 40% other and 10% URL I will try and take the exact match signature down to 15% and squeeze the rest of that into brand and URL.

    I tried this a month ago for a keyword that I had got in to about 50% exact match anchors I reduced it to about 20 and I went up from the fifth position to the first position for a money keyword I had dropped for over a year back.
     
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    For every exact anchor that you use, you will need 99 generic/bare url anchors so you can maintain it at or below 1%.
     
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    My tests shows that google still uses anchor to know exactly what ur article about.

    I made a test just for this.
    Like, I have an article about "best vacuum cleaners". I target many keywords in the same article like "Best handheld vacuum cleaners" , and various other types, robot, carpet cleaning, deep cleaning ..etc

    When I build exact match for one of the keywords, I get a boost in it, but my ranking for others goes one or two spots down.

    This showed, google is using anchor to know which exact keyword ur article about. I would never use my keyword Title & H1 tag. Title for exact match and H1 for a partial or LSI

    If I were u, I would use 2 links at least as exact, 2 as LSI and rest are generic, full title, brand and url.

    Moreover, I prefer under optimize my articles, interlinking if I am going to build strong backlinks for. So, if you are interlinking to the article with exact match, I would change those
     
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