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Are Expired Web 2.0 having page authroity but no TF CF, of any value? (linkswise)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Iconoclast, May 8, 2016.

  1. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Regular Member

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    Hi

    I was asking sellers of expired web 2.0 about providing me expired web 2.0s with atleast 25 pa and trust flow citation flow of 10 atleast. But all of them told me that its very hard to find an expired web 2.0 with tf cf of atleast 10.

    So my question is whether expired web 2.0s with only page authority da are still of any value for backlink purposes?

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  2. Iconoclast

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    anyone??................
     
  3. The Curator

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    Reading experts on the subject like Gotch, they are all leaving 2.0 making behind. Sure you can have expired properties, or actually 2.0 networks, but without TF CF metrics, what good is it? I have read how Gotch got one his money sites penalized for doing this. If anything, build up the 2.0 with filler content. Link to enough niche authority sites, have some sizeable readable content and that will build up CF + TF slowly.
    I think for as much trouble as people go through, or seo experts on behalf of their clients, 2.0 just doesn't pay dividends;
    1. Set up a bunch of 2.0 sites (5-20 per keyword); banners, pictures, about pages etc.
    2. Post filler content and schedule filler content posting
    3. Create main article that links back to site
    4. Create 2nd tiers properties for the 2.0's
    5. Monitor

    With all the time spent to this, you could get 2-3 guest blog posts (on nice sites, not those blog farms with no traffic), have the links stick three times 3x as long, and get more power from them. I too have moved away from them, too much hassle, not enough juice...
     
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  4. Iconoclast

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    Thanks alot. I guess i just wasted my money on buying expired web 2.0s :(

    But on bright side i probably wont get penalized
     
  5. The Curator

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    I wouldn't say you wasted your money, any expert here will disagree with me. You can still use them to rank, it just has a ton of time that I think can be better used for other methods; but if you have an assistant to do this for you, or you have the time than it will be a diverse link building tool.

    Here is a nice page from Neil Patel explaining the greyhat practice of web 2.0's and a few other practices. For me, I don't want to see an algo update and have to disavow 2.0's I made previously, for me it's about quality. I think 2.0's can still be effective for a buffer zone around your brand, and to control online reputation management.
    But if it's linkjuice you want and this isn't a churn and burn site, then go for something that has lasting power; broken link building, guest blog posting, wikipedia citations, and collaborative efforts with other niche experts.
     
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    Yes, they are still valuable. I'm using aged web2.0 mainly to build natural backlink profile. I usually go with naked url/brand domain on web2.0 and another tier 1 links. And then use targeted keywords on PBN.
     
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    It still has value because with PA,DA.The site has more power by this metrics so can get good backlinks.
     
  8. marcassin

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    Thanks a lot for yours advices , i'm trying to build a correct PBN (human readable texts with pictures and different texts size, old and new web 2.0, videos sometime, differents anchor and filled with authority site links ...), later boost some of these with slowly GSA campaign. Will see if it rank.
     
  9. Lone Wolf

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    Nah
    Stop spreading bullshit. "experts on the subject like Gotch" LOL, how the fuck does someone even become an SEO expert?

    "without TF CF metrics, what good is it?" — Are you aware that these are just 3rd party metrics to give an indication of how strong a page is and not Google ranking factors?

    You're not entirely wrong, I'm sure there are scenarios where you're better off with guests posts, manual high quality web 2.0s and all that stuff. But if you're just ranking some affiliate site that you don't really give a shit about, just a web 2.0 with some spun crap on it will suffice.

    @OP
    I generally just look at the amount of backlinks and referring domains. Even if the CF and TF are N/A or extremely low they do still pass link juice. Remember, Majestic metrics are 3rd party metrics, not Google ranking factors.

    Good luck!
     
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    I believe,if one link has good TF CF then its very easy to rank them better because at this time TF CF will work good at ranking.
     
  11. Jesse Custer

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    I don't agree how you say / infer web 2.0 building is a "Waste of time" and then quote the above. In my IM journey to date, sending emails off for broken links and guest posts was an incredible waste of my time and yielded a big, fat "0" results. I suspect that for it to work you need to do it in bulk and hire an assistant. Or like the outreach service "Tommy" offers, he already has relationships in place.

    Consider you can put together a nice 2.0 in 30 minutes and get indexed within a week (on some) I say the payoff is pretty good.

    Also, take a look at what all the "respectable" BST sellers are doing. Their strategies always invariably include web 2.0s. The more expensive ones include expired 2.0s. When they start moving away from 2.0s I'll sit up and take notice....
     
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    @Lone Wolf , actually these 3th party metrics means the quality of the backlinks. Also TrustFlow means traffic from the backlinks so it is ofcourse g00gle ranking factor. In fact I trust more on this factor than moz DA and PA, becasue even the domains with penalty and 1000s of deindexed domains/web2.0s have the both magestic and moz metrics, but these basic moz metrics don't means traffic, while TF do.
     
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    These 3rd party metrics don't say jack shit about what Google actually thinks of a page. They are nothing but an indication of how strong a page is, but Google doesn't care about that. I'm not saying you shouldn't care for them at all, I'm just saying that a page doesn't need high flow metrics in order to pass strong link juice. And yes, Moz metrics are crap.

    I had no idea that TF is based on referral traffic. What's your source? Never heard that before. My TF 50 SAPE footer links must be getting a lot of traffic. :)
     
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    Bullshit!? lol whatever you want to recommend a practice that's becoming outdated go ahead. Next thing you will tell me Patel's not an expert either. If your earning money in this business, and your name happens to be all over the place, then I would call them an expert. Speaking of experts, a guy with 58 posts under his belt (probably because his last handle got banned on here) is calling someone else out that backed up what he had with sources.

    Have fun churning and burning...
     
  16. Lone Wolf

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    Unlike your advice, my advice comes from my own experience ranking websites, not from some guru who makes money thanks to idiots like you spreading their crap.

    I'm having great fun making money with blackhat SEO, thanks.
     
  17. The Curator

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    Your alone in your opinions....have fun churning and burning! You can wipe your ass with your hand doesnt make it efficient...
     
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  18. Jesse Custer

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    One definition of efficiency would be a system or process that has no waste.

    Ergo, using your hand to wipe you arse is more efficient than toilet paper.

    Q.E.D

    P.S Your argument has merit, but despite his forum name "Lone Wolf" is not alone in his opinion.
     
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    The easiest website to find them on would be Tumblr. There are softwares that will seek our Tumblr's which have high DA and PA. I forget the exact process but if you start Googling around you might find the same thing as I did. There's a free article somewhere on the internet that explains which softwares to use. Basically you just find usernames in your niche that have high DA and PA, then you do a cross reference check to see which ones of those are actually active and which aren't. Apparently if the URL isn't active then you can recreate the exact same domain name.
     
  20. The Curator

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    My original response stated:
    -You can still rank using them
    -Good for Orm

    Theres a reason Tommy doesnt offer 2.0 creation for his white label service...