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Are black hat forums are destined to die one day?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by lietuvis002, Oct 5, 2014.

  1. lietuvis002

    lietuvis002 BANNED BANNED

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    This thread is not to offend anyone nor to blame nor to troll. If you don?t like this topic - please leave.

    It is simple logic and it?s been like that for quite some time now. And blue guys know it. Not just me.




    I mean it may not die as a website, it just will become not worth visiting for anyone who knows decent stuff about seo. I used to spent and least an hour reading stuff in bhw, now I just come here every few days and spent few minutes. No longer.

    I am in few private IM skype chats AND trust me People are talking crazy stuff in private skype chats, some decent SEO methods are being discusses which are light years away to being even mentioned in public forums. It is just whole new level.



    I spent some time today doing research, browsing forum and I found HUGE amount of INCREDIBLE stuff being shared over 2008-2011: amazing cases studies, blueprints, techniques, guides etc. etc. And if I look at 2014 threads, half of them are just to troll someone, others are like: ?will it work?, ?google did that?, google does that?, ?how to neg seo cos I am too stupid to play it fair? and other pbn related bushtit.
    It?s getting quite obvious that big dogs, medium dogs and all king of dogs which truly knows seo and stuff that works are keeping it to themselves. And it?s ok. I do that, yet I am not an asshole as human being I just look for mine wellbeing and my families? first.
    Once your WORKING method is shared to public, gets overused instantly and brings google attention and wholla! They most likely will patch that algo hole in the next update. Google is not after link building techniques that are used by dozens or hundreds, they are after those used by thousands and millions. Why would anyone risk their websites and entire business to be gone just by sharing information with others? Nobody, not just me.

    Web 2.0 used to work like hell. Now they kind of work but links are highly devalued.

    PBN used to be one pager and it was ok, worked like magic. Now you have to take a bunch of precocious and make it look legit web just to be safe.

    Etc etc.

    If you going to brag me or critic, explain me why information being shared here LOST significant amount of value. BUT IT DID.
     
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  2. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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  3. oscilay

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    Don`t know what to say, there are still some good shares from time to time. I guess if you upgrade to jr vip you might get access to better stuff? Don`t know.
     
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    Regardless of your opinion on this thread, one thing is for sure - it belongs in the Lounge.

    Moved

    OS
     
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  5. MauiWaui

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    Obviously private professional Skype groups will give you better information than the forum. But if it weren't for the forum most of these guys wouldn't even meet.

    Use it as an asset and respect it that way.

    I guess it depends on the way you look at it! :)
     
  6. aqibarif74

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    I won't say anything except i liked BTB post.
     
  7. Trepanated

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    The only time a forum like BHW will become defunct is when:

    Google stops changing it's algorithm, and
    New platforms stop being created, and
    Social media stops changing, and
    Technology stops changing, and
    Consumer tastes stop changing, etc.

    But not one of those cases is going to happen, let alone all of them.

    Plus, you already said in your post that when you first joined the forum you learned a huge amount.
    And you also said that you are even now learning new skills from people you met on the forum.
    So BHW still has value to you.

    Well the same thing still applies to other people coming to BHW for the first time - they will learn a huge amount too.

    And people still share useful information and insights here all the time.

    It's not the methods that have value anyway - it goes without saying that once a method is shared it's value is lessened.

    It's the ideas that are valuable.

    Some people read a method and implement it to the letter, expecting the same results.

    Other people read methods and use the insights and ideas in them to come up with ideas of their own, or apply those insights in their own businesses.

    The former will forever be searching for the next method.

    The latter will forever be growing their own businesses and becoming more and more successful.

    Both of those types of people though, are always going to be finding BHW a valuable resource.
     
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  8. coitza

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    I don't think it will, everybody has to start somewhere, the fact that you got to another level and moved on doesn't mean that the majority of new people coming here and reading a lot of good info don't benefit from it. I think the better question would be "how and where to get to the next level", maybe this is not the place for that as you mentioned because of too many people using the same method as you said so it won't work for long.
     
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    I've seen some of your earning proofs and earning claims, and from the little time spent here I can assure you that your earnings are far from "light years away". You are just in a bad place right now, and maybe disappointed a little. Besides, who ever said SEO is the only source of income online? Sure, it is a big part of it, yet I am willing to bet good money on the fact that many people here earn a lot more than you doing zero SEO. Private skype groups with magical methods? Sure... soon you'll be making a thread how the Illuminati asked you to join their skype group.

    The fact is that motivated people never give up. Look at BigBuddy: he banked a lot for a year from youtube views, after that stopped he looked into mobile apps (and from what I've read got pretty good at it), then built PBN's, now a fully grown complete SEO sollution. Is he different because he is a mod? I think not. Serious people make serious money. You will never read about them complaining.
     
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  10. Mr.Whitehat

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    Blackhat is not only about seo, but a wide variety of strategies including socialmedia, mailing, classifieds and many many more. New things are coming up daily and it will never ever die imho.
     
  11. WizGizmo

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    Unless something changes drastically, I don't think it will "die" per se, but it has been, and is, always evolving.
     
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    As long as search engine lives, black hat will still remain.
     
  13. LleixG

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    I don't think they will die. Because all changes day by day, and it's a good source of knowledge for new and old members
     
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    I agree with you to a certain extent OP, but as long as the handful of people I still listen to and take advice from, are still signing in, then I shall continue to do so too.
    On one hand, it does seem that less valuable information is shared, but because of the popularity of BHW and the attention that it receives, this is probably for the best. On the other hand it could just seem that way, because of the tremendous amount of knowledge I have gained from the forum since first stumbling on BHW
    As Wiz mentions above, the forum will change and evolve.
    I think what would help, is if all inactive accounts over 2 years old were deleted and they introduced a registration fee for all new accounts. (+bring back rep)
    The biggest problem for me, is that the noob accounts are asking the same questions everyday, without even reading the forum.
    Anybody who has experience of SEO and IM are unlikely to be drawn to a noobs forum, if it continues then the forum is at risk of stagnation.
     
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    Delivering "good" search results is a NP-hard problem. So, no matter the amount of money and talent, there won't be any air-tight solution any time soon. Ergo, black hat will always have its place in the sun.
     
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    "I used to spent and least an hour reading stuff in bhw, now I just come here every few days and spent few minutes. No longer."

    Same here, but hopeful broke young guns are going to resort to the same "how do I make de moniez online", probably like most of us did when we were in their shoes and the wheel keeps turning... But don't expect any kind of deep knowledge or anything like that in any public forum about SEO, making money or anything remotely related to "trading business secrets that can make a real difference"...
     
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    You know why it won't die?

    Because there are always new people coming here... people finding out about IM (just like me) and are willing to stick with it and see it through!

    Think of this aspect in life, there were millions of people in the early ages, now there are billions of people? 10 people die, 12 people are born. It's one big hydra.

    People refer their friends, family, loved ones to come by because they want them to have a successful, self-lead life and what better way to learn than BHW, right?
     
  18. leena

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    Regarding some working methods they should never be discussed in a public forum, and i think intelligent people will never share them in future as well. In past people did share some methods which died very soon, so we all are now aware that its better to keep your mouth shut in SEO business. If you know a method which works, just keep it to yourself and bank while you can.

    Apart from all this, i dont think this forum will die anytime soon, since its the biggest forum not only for black hat stuff but for all info related to internet marketing, web design, social media marketing, and other micro stuff.
     
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    Not unless Google goes first
     
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  20. Redeema

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    No there will always be new internet marketers coming her to learn new information.