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are all SEO companies a huge scam?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mdsurf, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. mdsurf

    mdsurf Senior Member

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    so today while im sitting at my computer working i get a call from a random number. normally i dont pick up calls from random numbers but because i was expecting a call i answered it.

    it turned out it was some guy offering to give me web 2.0 coaching. he has been calling me and leaving voicemails for over two weeks (got my number off godaddy whois)so for a laugh i though i would hear what he had to say.

    we start to have a discussion and i ask him about black hat seo and his thoughts on it. and he couldnt believe i asked and said i should never ever do that or i will "100% get banned by google in the first month". i YSE his website and what do you know, his company had ~70 links.

    he then told me the only thing i would ever need to do for seo would be to start my own company blog and write a blog post everyday going after my keywords. i would have to nothing else, just that.

    and what do you know, his compnay offered those services for a small fee of 1000 bucks up front and 150 a month, and it was a wordpress blog!!!!!

    it seems to me like all SEO companies must just be a big scam, i feel like anyone that is decent at SEO would just do it for themselves. anyways theres my little tangent about that call.
     
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    I bet he gets at least few dumb-dumbs that know nothing about IM to agree to his service.
     
  3. mdsurf

    mdsurf Senior Member

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    im sure he does and i could see how if you knew nothing you would fall for it. he showed me one of his clients ranking reports. and he had quite a few first page rankings but after a little google keyword tool they all were less than 100 exacts with a cpc of .05-.10
     
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    xbox360gurl70s Elite Member

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    SEO companies have huge competition from freelancers, they are doing telemarketing as a sign of desperation to lurk in client or this is their business model in getting them. they might be just legitimate enough too
     
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    I know there are a lot of honest companies that show amazing results for a decent price, But i also wonder how many bullshit so called seo companies are banking on basic indexing and first page ranking for a no comp low search keyword. Set them up with analytics run sniper or a basic traffic campaign on it with 50 hits a day and i guess most people would think its amazing.. hmm... might not be a bad idea.. lolol
     
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    My company does SEO, we dont promise the client first page placement until we have done the research and made sure it is possible. We do a complete SEO analysis report and tell you what needs to be done to your website.(I.e. changing meta tage, titles, alt text etc) With all honesty, it generally take anywhere between 4-8 weeks to start seeing results. (Since google's spyder's refresh their database every 15 days) Its hard to promise a client to be first on the keyword "jewelery" for instance. It would be lieng, bad business ethics and will never result in a long term relationship with a client. Businesses last only because of recurring customers.

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  7. Business Directory

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    It's very stupid to rip clients off though, you wont keep their business. When I was first starting out I provided amazing work for a low price, now I get a lot of business from referrals. Once I mention that I also provide other services & show them what I've done for other companies, they often want the same. And to be honest delivering flyers & going to businesses is no fun. I'd much rather answer my phone to happy customers & call them once a month to ask how the sites going. I have many local companies that will happily pay me between $200 - $1000 per month for managing their site / advertising.
     
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    what i think is real funny is those types of customers look at other seo companies and see who there customer list is and them goes to the site and emails them with some deal like they can get you better ranking for less than what they are paying now.

    Most of our customers sites we are copied on the emails as we do follow up coaching with them.

    So this month i notices that all my customers were getting this email about how great this service was they were offering. I also had too of my customers call me up and ask about it.

    So went to the companies web site. only 3 months online. No pr rank. Then to top it off no links, nor is his site ranked for anything.

    So i emaild the company back and asked how can you rank my site when you cant rank your own. Told him my site is ranked spot 1 for over 20 different terms where is his at. lol

    As of yet i have not gotten another email from him to any of my customers.


    Yep there are some crazy people out there and i bet out of every 100 calls or emails they get one person to sign up. which sucks for the real seo companies when those customers come to us as they are a very hard sell after they just paid that money and no results.
     
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    SEO is full of scammers. Even people who think they know SEO, don't know anything.
    Imagine, some noob spent 1 year on a site and it finally went to page 1 of google. He then thinks he is a guru and starts selling link service. Seriously, 6 months to 1 year to get 1 site to page 1 doesn't qualify you to sell link service.
    The reality is, this is what is happening right now. The majority will either scam you or create links for you that will barely do anything.
     
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    It's not about link selling that much dragonrage, as that is what it is here: BHW Marketplace - You have the good and the bad one's. Still the best work comes from yourself, but your idea is right.

    As SpiderMonkey said, these are exactly the companies that suck and make a bad light at the good one's.
     
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    There are SEO companies that are legit. However, it would be a huge turn-off for me if someone scraped my info and cold called me. Calling and leaving voicemails for two weeks, and you find out he scraped your info. I would tell him next time he calls your number, he will see some papers from your attorney.

    I don't like being bothered, if I want/need something, I will go find it myself.
     
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    OP,it sounds like you had a chat with a "warrior" :D
     
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    how does it work!
     
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    Man, it's just a business model) Nothing more...
    We have seo company in our small country and because of little competition we just make inside optimization of the site and usually it's enough :)
     
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    Thank you for your participation which is very thoughtful and interesting !

    The method that the OP's companie ask for isn't wrong, but surely it isn't THE WAY to do it.

    I do it myself on my web agency blog and it brings some traffic and relevant content.

    But 1000$ + 150$ / month that's huge ! And obviously they don't realy know what they are talking about.
     
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    This is just so annoying and ridiculous.. One guy from my university actually founded a company that does SEO and websites and when I talked to him for a little I immediately noticed that he had F*CKING NO IDEA what he's talking about.. For example he had no idea what link building is and when I asked him if he's going to be white, gray or black hat he was like what the hell are you talking about!?

    He also told me some secrets like meta tags, keywords in title and domain etc. He founded the company because SEO seems pretty easy and there's good money to be taken. And on top of that, this guy has never ever owned a website nor ranked any other website by doing SEO. He just read about it and now he thinks he's a GURU. I just hate that
     
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    95% of SEO is just scam, I talk to clients daily and even the established SEO companies never deliver.

    But of course every company says they are the best.LOL
     
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    Also I want to say about SEO))
    In my country internet costs about 10$ per month)) but for firms it costs about 150$ per month))

    so and SEO company ) it's a service for b2b model)) For normal business it's hard to work with freelancers)) it's easier to pay more ))
     
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    HAHA what a crazy ass. This is one of the guy's, who will just harm our repuptation.
     
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    Almost each company has guarantees..