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Arbitrage Conspiracy - I'm for hire!!! :)

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Black Hat Seo, Dec 21, 2008.

  1. Black Hat Seo

    Black Hat Seo BANNED BANNED

    Feb 8, 2008
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    Sorry, had to start my own thread on it so it would get indexed as my job application.

    Hey Filsaime and all you other posers, your boy Nevarc is for hire. I see you made 4 million bucks on this launch and I've decided I'll be happy to be your next Guru for the low price of 3 million dollars, preferably in quarters because I lost the key to the xmen machine in my game room so I have to pay to play now.

    I needed a good laugh so I listened to the first webinar:

    "Call the cpa networks after you submit your app to get yourself approved" wow I wonder who's been teaching that for four fucking years now.. could it people like Ruck, Havok, myself?

    But the BEST OF ALL is this moron actually says in response to a member question "is there certain networks you recommend as better than others?"

    and this guy says :) "no, most networks are the same and have similar offers, you just want to get yourself approved to one as your goal"

    All networks are the same? Really?

    That was hands down the funniest moment I think in guru course launch history. The fucking thing hasn't even started and he's already proven he doesn't know the first thing about CPA.

    4 million dollars they made from this.

    Pay me 3 million and your next course on CPA will actually give people real value guys, but I guess I wont be getting any emails because the last thing you want is people to actually make money and not need to buy this bullshit anymore right?

    Well just in case, because I know you guys read this forum to steal info from us, shoot me a PM, i'm happy to be your next Guru and unlike these guys, not only do I, you know, actually make thousands a day with CPA, but I actually can speak English and make sense when I talk, where did you find these guys, the fucking bus station?
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  2. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    I gotta agree with Nevarc. For the first year of newbie'ness most of what i learnt from these "educators" was of value. But once you get passed a certain point, most of these programmes are just the same old spun content over and over again.

    When you analyse these "how to" and "mentoring" programmes you realise that there is maybe one or two sentences in what they say that makes any real difference to making you any money.

    That's why i haven't ever spent a red cent on ebooks or money making programmes.

    I'd sooner learn for free and then invest in people who actually do stuff for me. In fact this is a proven programme as i used is before, and it made me a $mil in the industry i was in at the time.

    So learn for free and then hook up with some real players and make money with them.


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  3. Mp3Mage


    Sep 15, 2008
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    Oh my, this is simply hillarious!! haha

    This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

    BTW guys, join ********** for Rob's cpa life lessons. They're simply amazing.

    Thanks for the good laugh!

  4. troye

    troye Newbie

    Oct 2, 2008
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    I was a member of Stomper when it first came out, so I knew how this launch would end up. $4 mill from all of the guru's that were pushing this was to be expected. I had to learn the hard way that their is no easy shortcut and that these are mostly a waste of time.
  5. wiredmom

    wiredmom Executive VIP

    May 23, 2008
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    I ranted about these guys on my blog too. Complete and utter drivel and they make millions off of these people that don't know any better.

    I WANT to say they are complete and utter tools. But then, they're the ones with millions - not me so what can I say really? Its them that have to be able to sleep at night knowing they are shoveling shit into peoples mouths but calling it caviar.
  6. Donnie Darko

    Donnie Darko Regular Member

    Aug 22, 2007
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    I'll be the voice of everyone,

    Fuck you Filsaime and all you scumbag puppets for cheating people into buying your stuff, selling them false hopes claiming you make money from a method you are selling, while the only money you ever make is by selling shit to people.
  7. Vashtai

    Vashtai Junior Member

    Mar 10, 2008
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    Self-employed/independant contractor
    Portland, Oregon
    Nevarc, the most respect goes to you for speaking honestly regarding a topic you KNOW, and don't pretend to.

    It's amazing, those crooks who steal from the knowledgable people here, and then go out into the world preaching to know everything there is to know, just to rip others off.

    I hope this does get index'd and people will actually start to question 'Gurus' like Filsaime.

    Nevarc is a prime example of somebody who knows what they are doing. And they are DOING IT, instead of claiming to be something they are not, for the pure intent of ripping off others.

    Thanks Nevarc.

    Go to hell Filsaime, and others who play this game.
  8. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    Donnie, the only people you can blame is the ones who made the decisions to pay these guys. These guys are just offering a service, for which there is a willing and lucrative market.

    Problem is, people are their own worst enemy.

    Rather than tough it out and learn the ropes for free, they try and get ahead by paying someone to think for them.

    Problem with paying people to think for you is that when these gurus disappear, you lose that confidence you built up and you also lose the ability to work problems out for yourself. There really is no blueprint to success.

    Maybe you can make a little money from their influence, but truth is - the only way to make it as an independent marketer is to make all the rules yourself.

    Once you start following Gurus, thats when you shirk responsibility for making money. And then you don't.



    Its all about learning for free and applying this knowledge!

  9. gokarter

    gokarter Regular Member

    Nov 6, 2007
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    LoL not all GURU'S agreed with this product launch....So they claim .... The World may never know

    This Is From Gauher Chaudhry
    I have received a number of emails from my readers
    and customers regarding the launch of "Arbitrage
    Conspiracy" slated for today at 12:00 pm EST.
    I was invited to the $10,000 Las Vegas show but
    didn't go because it was too short notice for me.
    I have not seen the course, so I can't comment on
    the calibre of the material.
    Therefore this email is not an endorsement (you
    will NOT see any affiliate link), but rather my
    opinion based on the number of emails I have
    received asking my opinion and the forum thread
    that has started in the PPCF members area.
    What you will read is not hype, but rather the
    truth. Sometimes the truth can get distorted
    during these rather large product launches.
    I was well aware of this course almost 3 months
    ago because the guys behind it, Aymen and Emmanuel
    are both Pay Per Click Formula and Pay Per View
    Formula owners.
    In fact, Aymen and Emmanuel met each other at my
    PPV Formula seminar last December in Toronto.
    Most of don't know this, but Emmanuel goes by the
    username OSR in the forums and you can spot him by
    the quality posts he has made in the forums.
    A lot of you are asking whether the numbers being
    thrown around (i.e. $100K net profit daily) are
    I know these numbers sound absurd, but it really
    is quite possible to make these type of profits.
    How do I know this?
    Because for some of the CPA networks they were
    driving the traffic to, they had signed up under
    my REFERRAL link so I was getting anywhere from a
    2-3% percent commissions.
    I was stunned when I started receiving huge
    referral checks.
    I called them up and said, keep doing what you are
    doing because I like the nice large referral
    checks for doing nothing.
    I met up with Emmanuel at the CX Digital affiliate
    advisory meeting in October and he further
    explained to me how they were scaling their
    campaigns to get massive results.
    I told them that when they were ready to launch, I
    would be their number one affiliate.
    But that will not happen because I have not seen
    their material and therefore can't endorse their
    course in all fairness.
    Now, when the Arbitrage Conspiracy report first
    came out, I was a little bit taken a back when
    they started revealing the Alexa technique.
    Now, I don't claim to own the concept of bidding
    on domain names, but I know that the strategy of
    harvesting related domains from Alexa is only in
    PPC Formula.
    So I sent an email to both Aymen and Emmanuel
    yesterday before their teleseminar asking why PPC
    Formula material is being revealed and how closely
    related their material is to PPC Formula and the
    subsequent release of PPCF 2.0.
    They both immediately called me and explained that
    their was no bad intention to use my material and
    that their course is very different.
    Aymen told me he tried to reach me before they
    released the report for review, but I was in
    California for the PPC Classroom event.
    Did I believe them?
    Yes, because both are stand up guys.
    It was Aymen who lent me his tech team and servers
    for months to host some of my web sites and he
    NEVER charged me for this.
    Aymen has been gifted with great intelligence. He
    is only around 25 years old, but talks like he has
    50 years experience under his belt.
    No joke.
    Aymen actually called my the day before the Las
    Vegas event and went over the highlights of his
    presentation with me to get my opinion.
    I told him him that thatthere was no way he would
    be able to cover everything in one day.
    Emmanuel has shared with me insider tips and even
    sent me some of their PPC tools that were created
    So while I can vouch for their credibility, I
    *still* can't say anything about the course
    Aymen did indicate to me on the phone call that
    PPCF members were not the targeted audience and it
    may not be a good fit because of some overlap.
    But I *may* have to disagree.
    *If* the course itself can provide some insights
    into how they can scale up so large, then it may
    provide some good value to PPCF members.
    The course is not cheap. It will cost around
    $2,000. If you have not done anything with PPC
    Formula when you bought it, then you will probably
    not do anything with Arbitrage Conspiracy either.
    Brad Fallen is behind the launch as Aymen and
    Emmanuel needed a top guru to promote them because
    they were not known to the IM world until this
    I almost feel sorry for Aymen and Emmanuel because
    it doesn't seem like they have full control of
    this launch.
    The Arbitrage Conspiracy launch has gotten too
    hypey now with almost all the major gurus
    promoting it.
    While there were a few people who paid $10,000 to
    attend the seminar, all the gurus (maybe 95% of
    the group) got in for free.
    So if some guru who is promoting this says he/she
    paid $10,000 to attend, chances are he/she is full
    of s**t.
    Now, most of these gurus who went to Las Vegas for
    the seminar were dumbstruck by the presentation.
    And they should because most don't do PPC.
    They sell their own products and have email lists.
    So this was all new to them. But they were there
    because Brad Fallen wants them to promote the
    If this was an event on how some guy was making
    $100K a day with PLR info products, then people
    would also be freaked out right now about PLR
    It is really that simple.
    I heard from other heavy PPC marketers who did
    attend the seminar say that they only got a few
    nuggets of info, but not a whole lot.
    So your response to the Arbitrage Conspiracy
    course will really depend on how advanced you are
    with PPC.
    Aymen and Emmanuel run a very advanced operation
    with staff and there is quite a bit of technology
    If you think they live the affiliate lifestyle
    where they work for a few hours and than surf the
    waves the rest of the day, then you are mistaken.
    Both are workhorses and sometimes only sleep a few
    hours a night.
    It has required A LOT of hard work and dedication
    to achieve these staggering results.
    There are only a handful of affiliates that I know
    that have received these incredible results and
    the only other friend I know pushing similar
    numbers is Amish Shah of the Hexatrack fame and he
    has indicated that he has a team and also uses
    advanced technology.
    So it is not as simple as buying the course and
    you will be making $100K a day in a few weeks.
    You have to have a passion for this PPC to CPA
    stuff in order to make it work successfully.
    The main reason for the Arbitrage Conspiracy
    course is for a lead-in to their own CPA network.
    So that is my take on this entire launch.
    I really have nothing to write about the course
    itself because I don't know anything.
    Use your own judgement.
    Best wishes,

    This one is from Charles Heflin of SEO 20/20 
    This is just a warning to steer far and clear from a promotion
    going around the IM industry called The Arbitrage Conspiracy.
    I used to be heavily involved in CPA marketing and arbitrage...
    This is not an easy business, it used to be extremely profitable
    for me. I was making over $200k some months.
    I got out of it for a reason ... the reason is simple ... It's too
    competitive. There are only a "finite" number of products that work
    through this strategy and 10 times out of 10, the products that DO
    work already have someone running arbitrage so then you have to
    compete with that person which lowers your profit margin.
    Multiply that times 3 - 5 people and you're having price wars for
    pennies... Not worth the effort anymore. There are tools that you
    can use to optimize your performance and locate areas of untapped
    opportunity so be prepared for deep research before getting into
    Another issue is that you need a lump sum of cash to finance your
    PPC costs for 30 - 60 days before you get paid by the major CPA
    networks. Be prepared to have a significant sum of cash on hand to
    bankroll your exploration and research. It will likely cost you a
    good bit of money to discover areas of opportunity.
    NOW ... with this guy releasing The Arbitrage Conspiracy it will
    make matters worse. More competition, lower profit margins, etc.
    When I was making good money with arbitrage back in 2005 - 2007,
    nobody knew what I was doing and I didn't care to tell anyone about
    it either. You have to immediately question why a person
    "supposedly" making 100k per day would want to ruin it for
    themselves for the peanuts they will receive from unsuspecting
    IMers. My guess is that they came to the same conclusion I did ...
    you could probably make more money selling information about
    arbitrage than you could practicing it.
    Now multiply that times the number of gurus promoting it and you
    could get a fair idea of how quickly the release of this material
    will ruin the industry.
    This is just a heads up...
    Charles Heflin
  10. Freddie

    Freddie Registered Member

    May 16, 2008
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    Rudy, have to disagree. If someone lies to you are you by definition to blame if you believe the liar? Personally I would like to think the liars are the guilty ones.

    Now if you are aware that you are being lied to and then you believe them it's a different story.

    These "gurus" are very skilled in suckering people into buying their stuff.

    IF their sales letters were giving an ACCURATE description of whatever it is they want you to buy THEN it would be a different story.
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  11. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

    Oct 1, 2008
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    HAHAHA lol this shit is sure hilarious ! In my newbie days i signed up on those newsletter and still receive their retarted messages " do you want to know how i really make moneyz" No ty i allready know you sell shit to people and make them buy more and more of your JV partner shit and get comission. :D

    Lol fuck you on that shit :)
    (I can give you respect that you make money like other people but fuck your rehashed shit over hyped bullshit products)

    sorry for typos o_O
  12. sereja

    sereja Newbie

    Dec 10, 2008
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    Agreed. Like someone else said, past a certain point its all the same bullshit. I'm getting really tired of looking at my junk email account and seeing all the pathetic "guru" emails there. They spin the same old shit over and over, day in and day out. It makes me sick to think that there are people who eat it all up, buy anything the "guru" recommends, and worship the ground he walks on.
  13. madinaz

    madinaz BANNED BANNED Premium Member

    Jan 12, 2008
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    I agree that the webinar was bad but I've actually seen the product prelaunch and yes it has rehashed info but has some new twists and info as well. I don't think it's worth what they are charging but some people must. I can put you in touch with Mikey if you are really looking for work nut I don't think he'd pay a million even though your probably worth it
  14. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    I do understand what you are saying Freddie. But the point is to stop expecting to pay other people to do your thinking for you. This approach is all wrong. Folks need to know that they have to learn everything for free. And to be frank: most of what you need to know is here at BHW.

    I reckon its better to throw $100 at someone to build you a blog farm, than buy some crumey ebook for $97.

    Learn for free and then invest in getting stuff out there.

    There are no heros. There are just rich people who put stuff out there and then there are the people with no money, who are doing nothing about it - apart from expecting other people to do their thinking for them and getting ripped off.

    My 0.2c


  15. Freddie

    Freddie Registered Member

    May 16, 2008
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    Rudy, I get your point. There is however nothing wrong with having people do SOME of the thinking for you to get you started. Most of the time I read something and then I get some inspiration. I tend to read/study lots of stuff on any topic I am getting into before I start experimenting. IF the info is good it can save you a LOT of time/hassle/money.

    If you don't start thinking for yourself soon after you will probably struggle in the longer term.

    To put it differently: If you would come to me and said "Freddie, I just invented something and it's called a wheel." I would think "that looks great". Sometime later I would go "Rudy, look at this. I thought your wheel idea was great and I used it and I have come up with this wheelbarrow/car/truck thing...." And both of us would stand there thinking "f#$% why did I not think of that in the first place :)

    This particular launch was one of the most vomit inducing ones I have seen this year but maybe that's just me getting more jaded by the day.

    I think it is disgusting they are making people buy it based on falsely created expectations.
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  16. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    Yea, you are right Freddie. I did agree with Nevarc overall. Think most of the Guruware! is spin, bullshit and bluff. But i am also in favour of saying to paying fools - wake the fuck up!

    I never take advice from anyone, unless it is free. If its free i figure that it is either no good - or if it is good - i figure it came from someone who is a pretty stand up guy.

    I never forget this guy and when i make it big - i pay this guy and every software and ebook provider that i ever got free stuff that worked for me.

    I only pay in life for the things that truly help me get to the place i want to get to. That way i never get ripped off and i never get influenced by crap advice from self-consumed scammers who talk out their arse.

    I only did that once before and it cost me serious wedge.

    my 0.2c



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  17. marcus45

    marcus45 Regular Member

    Dec 29, 2007
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    we make some arrest in this guru's:)Keith join in BHU a moment ago and hes suggesting us to contribute in his module then he pay $1,000 for that.
  18. Freddie

    Freddie Registered Member

    May 16, 2008
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    Nev, are you sure? Given their track record it looks like they will fuck up your launch, lie to your customers and completely ruin your credibility.

    Or do you just figure, what the hell for 3 million I'm in? :D
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  19. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Power Member

    Apr 20, 2008
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    Fuck Filsmaine, or whatever his name... nothing personal here either, I understand him and his patsies have to eat... but that's just the way it is and the way it's going to be. Someone has to be the antithesis :)
  20. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    A guy told me the other day that he wanted to sell me some software for $500 that was going to make me millions.

    I said, turn it on.
    Leave it for a few months
    And then when it has made me $3million
    then send me your Paypal