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apply for a job using self taught exp

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by jelly91, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. jelly91

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    I want to start my career in IM in the cooperate world. But I don't own any marketing degree. But skill lucky since I'm a developer, I can do web stuff which I believe can be a competitive advantage. If you were me, how would u pitch yourself? I'm going to show my adsense earning to them? damn, what I did is blackhat lol..
     
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    What is the actual job/position you are going to apply for in this instance?

    That would help with the responses.
     
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    corporate job application but on what basis? do you have a portfolio of stuff that you have done? If your adsense earnings are good why apply for a job?
     
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    Development and spamming the Internet != marketing

    Get a degree if you think they are the same. Degree was one of the best things I ever did. Go to a real school and not some shithole like University of Phoenix where managers will laugh you out of the building.



    ETA: Certs are useful in the IT operations world (web admin, server admin, dba, etc jobs) but they won't do shit for you in the development world. Most dev hiring managers want a degree not some shitty cert.

    Been thinking about the CEH myself. Certs are good if you have no experience and want to get into operations. With dev, you need a degree or a badass portfolio. Same with marketing.
     
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    online marketing specialist
     
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    +1 spot on


    Employers HATE self employed people.

    It doesn't hold much weight on resumes, and they think you will be more likely to leave them and start another business.
     
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    aren't those who really making $ is better than a guy with a cert but don't know shit to make $ ?
     
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    But why would they be looking for a job if they have a successful business? Think about it. The only people looking for another job are those that have had a business fail.
     
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    I would probably not share adsense earnings but rather put together a strong letter of introduction to the companies that you want to work for with some general (one paragraph) commentary about your online background, some bullet points as to how you can increase revenue for the company using your online expertise and a closing paragraph asking for a time to meet face to face.

    It is hard to really pin point the "best" way to approach but if someone were to send me that, and I opened it, I would consider them and possibly interview them.
     
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    With resumes, context is key, and there are a couple points your resume should answer:

    (1) How does your self taught experience meet the employer's needs?

    (2) How did your self taught experience or skill set allow you to outperform your peers?
     
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    I go on and off with freelancing. I like onsite gigs for the interaction with people and just networking and chatting with peers. IT people are cool with a sick, dark sense of humor, so I fit right in. I'm working a 3 month contract right now onsite, but I really like it and kinda hope it goes perm.

    My suggestion to the OP is try to look for contract/temp positions and get some experience. I was recruited. The big companies use recruiters, but you can start off with small startups. Downside to startups is they don't have cash to give you a real paycheck, but they are a good starting place.