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Anyone Still Doing Rank & Rent SEO in 2016?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Innceptionist, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. Innceptionist

    Innceptionist Registered Member

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    Hey there. I'm looking to connect with SEOs doing Rank & Rent SEO or had experience with it. I wonder am I the only one doing this or is there anyone else?

    I'm working on my first R&R site so basically I don't have any experience with this method. If anyone is doing then please share your challenges and other valuable info.

    Do you think this method should be pursued as full-time or part-time? What is the future of this method? Are there any other traffic sources for R&R method other than search engines?

    Thank you for reading!

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    Comment or die... lol not taking risk xD
     
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    I always wonder why there isn't more of this. I'd be interested to know how well it works... I'd imagine that the money is just better in flipping ranked sites but I really don't know.
     
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    I dont personally do it but I am sure people do.
     
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    I'm not doing it but this method seems to be highly encouraged by ViperChill. Lead gen is still in demand, so I think R&R method can be parallel to that demand. Last time I checked, there seemed to be a lot of decent looking (at first glance) expired domains up for grabs, just search by the city you're looking to expand into.
     
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    A guy near me does this full time.
    A friend of mine got offered a website by him with nicheincity emd with a fancy, professional looking design done for xxx amount per month once it was ranked. He uses a tracking phone number to record leads which he charges x amount per phone call aswell. He has over 50 clients. This still works for small business to large scale. It's also easier for him to land clients this way. No contract. If they don't pay he lets someone else use the website, and the clients know this so they do pay!
     
  8. Innceptionist

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    Hey, thanks for your time man. I would love to connect with you and share our journeys together. Are you on FB/Skype or something?

    Thanks for contributing. Do you have any info how he manages to get clients? Does he offer the ranked website to companies ranking on page 1, page 2? How does he calculate pricing for different services (e.g. plumbing, pool resurfacing, roofing etc.)?
     
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    Thanks for creating this thread OP I have always wondered about this. The only extensive information out there about this R&R method comes from Mike Becker of Asswave who isn't really trust worthy to say the absolute least.

    I'll be watching this one for sure!
     
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    I think from what I read that the pricing is calculated based on the amount of money a service makes per client. So if a plumber earns on average $2k per client then selling 15 leads a month is worth an estimated $30k to the plumber so you can easily charge a % of that per month.

    Lucrative as hell this method.
     
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  12. Fenix19

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    I am trying to do the same :) add me on skype petar.pan1919
     
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    I'm in a FB group where the majority of the big earners in there do this on big scales.
    I do question some of the figures they bandy about and as to how much they claim to charge each month, but maybe there are business owners out there with more money than sense.
     
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    Clients in this game are word of mouth unless you got the money to beat the local guys. It's interesting that seo companies mainly get their customers through cold calling, referrals, or through emails. But referrals are your best method. have a look at this https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-i-built-my-offline-seo-social-media-empire-earning-15-000-a-month-in-three-months.309903/ thread and read through it, it has a great concept for gaining clients.

    This guy offers page 1 ranking. No position promises. Price is dependant on business type and the amount of leads. If you could give them 100 leads per month what is that worth to them? A hairdresser might see an extra $5000 turnover. Whereas a landscaper might see an extra $70,000. I think a fair commission charge for a SALE should be 10-15% minimum.
     
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    I think you'd be surprised how much you COULD charge for this. Finding the right niche and the demand is key, I'm in the process of setting up a scaled multi-site r&r now, with all the high end searches in my area. I've spent the best part of my free time in the last 2 months doing kw research, and majority of my competition is yellow pages. :)
    Some business owners certainly do have more cents then sense. But if you can give them more business for no work on their end. They're happy to pay.
     
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  16. Innceptionist

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    Awesome replies guys. Keep them coming. What do you guys think about this > If a person is doing Rank & Rent full-time, should he or she start a company to appear more professional in the marketplace? Also, what do you guys think of upsells? Like if I am able to sell my client the website and I want to be of more value to the client, should I offer them Social Media Marketing or other valuable services?

    Would it be a wise decision to register a domain name to showcase your existing clients, offer other valuable services and basically all the R&R stuff?
     
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    If they are doing it full time then yes, start a legit company, it should've been started before this becomes a full time gig, but starting off maybe try cash in hand. Depends on what you can do and what clients you can get. Your professional image doesn't really matter with this model. If they don't pay until the page is ranked then they have nothing to lose. Your professional image is getting page 1, and keeping it there.
    Deff up sell. your url will be a brand, get the name out there with twitter fb etc. offer promotions on there.

    Personally I wouldn't register a domain to make a website showcasing your R&R stuff. It is a very good and profitable product you are offering people (if its in the right niche and its ranking). If you know how to talk to people you should be able to sell it without a website.

    literally just a moment ago I found one of my clients competitors using one. Built on wp simple design and with a high da pbn for backlinks. It has a 1300 number for leads, and at the top it has 'nicheincity.com in partnership with businessname'
     
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    My confusion at this point is about the company & company website. As you know that in R&R, client pays for the ranked website so how can the company website be useful to the client? Do I even require a company website? Also, what would be different if I do the R&R business model by starting a legit company? I mean, the basic theme is to rank and rent websites, so even if I were to start a company, how would it help me expand my business? I definitely want to pursue this full-time.

    I'm sorry but I didn't really get your point about the URL being a brand. Are you saying the site which I will rank will be a brand? And are you saying to use FB/Twitter to get leads and sell it to the client? Thanks for your help and valuable info. :)
     
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    you're putting the horse before of the carriage (or whatever that expression is)
    How confident are you that you can rank sites? how many sites have you ranked before? hard or easy keywords?
    first rank the sites, then worry about all this official business like what company name you need and what color your logo needs to be and how many chairs you need to have at your office.
    actually, first do a survey to see if you could even rent the site once it's ranked. I ranked something number one but then no business was interested in renting it, that was a tough lesson
    IDK, to me, it seems easier to directly monetize the sites than having to deal with bullshit like rank and rent and businesses expecting you to work for free. a lot of business owners are stupid, they would rather not spend $5k and make $20k, they would rather sit on their ass and spend nothing and make nothing.
    what's the advantage of renting vs. monetizing the site directly?
     
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