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Anyone interested in FOSS equivalent of SENuke, Magic Submitter etc?

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by ozgoose, Jul 10, 2016.

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Would you be interested in a free and open source equivalent of SENuke, Magic Submitter etc?

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  1. ozgoose

    ozgoose Newbie

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    Hi,
    Just joined the forum. I have had a lot of issues with the reliability of commercial SEO software (Magic Submitter, SENuke etc) so have been using my own software as a backup for permanent links. I am now using it for tier 1 content and using SENuke (I gave up on MS) for tier 2 content and getting good results.
    I am thinking of releasing it on GitHub as free and open source software. Unfortunately I don't know whether there is currently a free equivalent of them already. Also I don't want to waste my time making it production quality unless there is a need for it.
    The software uses NodeJS and PhantomJS to submit to your blogs through web automation:
    - Spins heading, description and body content,
    - Spins keywords,
    - Spins money site URLs and inserts with keywords,
    - Spins images and randomly inserts in body plus random float left or right,
    - Additional services can be added through a JSON file containing the steps (pretty simple no coding experience required).
    - It submits to existing blogs created previously that are listed in an accounts file (details login details and service). This seems to get good results as the regular content of the aged blogs performs better than new blogs.
    - Can interface with major indexing sites.
    If there is interest I will probably make it available this week.
    Look forward to your feedback!
    Paul
     
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    sure,why not, you can offer it for free for us to test.
     
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    I need this! Can't afford senuke or others. This would be very helpful
     
  5. ozgoose

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    I have no interest in making money from it. I have developed plenty of FOSS software in the past that has not been popular so I just need to know whether there is no equivalent free software out there and that there is an interest so that I don't waste my time.
     
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    No one going to say "NO" for this.
     
  7. ozgoose

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    Sounds like there's interest. Currently it uses PhantomJS command line and a HTML5 app to generate the spun articles. You generate the articles then run it through the submitter. You can submit one article at a time or as many as you want at once. I can release it as is now. I was hoping to create a full GUI version using NodeJS to tie it all together. Maybe I release as two versions command-line interface first then full GUI based a week or so later. What do you think?
     
  8. Asif WILSON Khan

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    Unless you want to deal with people asking for support then just wait until you have built the GUI. Some people on this forum have problems operating light switches.
     
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    I'm interested
     
  10. SupremeBotBuilder

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    I don't think you even understand what FOSS means or how it works based on this post. The OP mentioned that he wanted to gauge the interest regarding FOSS production quality for the BHW community. That literally means(I think we have used literally so much that it doesn't literally mean the same) that he is trying to build an ecosystem around his FOSS project to make it worth it. The reason is, because he will never support anything for free unless it is for the community not for just any non-paying person.

    In other words, any person that wants to pay him to implement a GUI will have to pay him way more than what a 3rd-party developer can do on the cheap, and you know what most people here are? Cheap. Exactly that, so very few will actually ask him to implement GUI unless he sees it as something that will benefit the whole ecosystem as a whole.

    You don't see @SethTurin making uBots bot's for people on the hire section do you? It is because he makes more money acting as the central force of uBot's. So to make simple shitty bots that almost anybody with expertise on uBot can do, will be a waste of his time.


    What the OP means by:
    "- Additional services can be added through a JSON file containing the steps (pretty simple no coding experience required)."

    is that essentially, these additional services is where he will make most of his money developing custom private "services"/"plugins" w/e he wants to call it.

    So... your assumption that he will be supporting GUI to his bot is just dumb and comes from a person not heavily involved in the FOSS business model. You don't make money supporting every single feature, you make money when the ecosystem grows, which is different than selling the regular software that is sold here where you support literally your end-users, aka your buyers.

    That is why his pressure to support end-users is not high as if he was selling the software directly to the end-users and providing support.However, the immense pressure to have a big enough ecosystem, where 3rd party developers can provide services to end-users , is high.

    I recommend you this book(https://www.amazon.com/Success-Open-Source-Steven-Weber/dp/0674018583), albeit a little bit old, to en-light yourself and familiarize yourself how you make money of FOSS.
     
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    I don't think you read the OP or the other comments. He is just trying to determine interest in the project, and OP has made it clear that he has no interest in making money from the project.
    My advice was that he should wait until he had developed the GUI was to save himself being bombarded with support requests from people that can not use the command line.
    If you had paid attention to the thread rather than try to score imaginary points, then that should have been clear.
     
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    I don't think you seem to still understand what he is trying to do. For reference the GUI is not his product, that is a 3rd-party service or addition to it. Third-party developers for his product will be sort of the ones adding a value or service to his existing core, those are the ones implementing the GUI's to his core product.

    I don't think you even read the post at all or understand how it will work. READ THE FIRST LINE,

    "I have had a lot of issues with the reliability of commercial SEO software (Magic Submitter, SENuke etc)"

    What do you think he means by that? He means that commercial SEO software lacks the support for a programmable core, or even an open source core. That means, it CANNOT BE EXTENDABLE, and it comes with the GUI the developers put on it.

    You need to step away from this mindset @Asif WILSON Khan, and realize his end-users are not people who cannot follow instructions on github or those that lack the knowledge of how to enter commands in the terminal. Those are his end-users , but not his direct users. The direct users he his going to be supporting are the DEVELOPERS and 3RD-PARTY service providers(developers, businessmen, etc).

    Look at the caps, so you can better understand what keywords to look in my text.
     
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    Dude, it is clear you have issues.
    OP is trying to determine if there would be interest in his software, the majority of users seeing this thread only see FREE SOFTWARE, unfortunately the majority of users do not have experience of dealing with the command line.
    My advice to OP was to wait until he had developed the GUI so that he was wasn't bogged down with PM's requesting support in getting the software to run.
    The first step any serious developer looks at is his users needs, and the majority of users on BHW would require a GUI.
    It was only a suggestion to OP so that the maximum number of users would benefit from his release.
    How about waiting until OP responds before you make another post?
    You call yourself SupremeBotBuilder but I have yet to see you release anything to the community.
    I won't get into a debate with you because it will be waste of my time.
     
  14. ozgoose

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    It never seems to amaze me how hard it is to just be honest and provide software without someone making up crap about you. I just said I will provide on GitHub for free and with a full GUI in a week or later for free or... I can release one version for free in a week or two. I just explained I have introduced into it a simple process where people can put steps in a file and add services to it and hopefully share these with others.
    As far as support goes, that is the reason I developed it because of the lack of a reliable commercial solution. MS crashed every 10 mins and didn't do half of what it claimed. If you are lucky you can get the Russian guy to spend a few minutes only to tell you "its your computer" or "its not my fault the blogs won't let my software submit to them" etc etc. Then I tried SENuke which created 1,000s of spammy articles that didn't even have links in them. Again support couldn't help. They just say everything looks fine from the screenshots.. it should work.
    In response to" "So to make simple shitty bots that almost anybody with expertise on uBot can do, will be a waste of his time." I'll leave that up to you (SupremeBot Builder) to provide that service.
    As I said I have been down this road before and spent considerable time developing open source software only to have a bullshit scare campaign from competitors destroy the project.
     
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    It is okay, I will appreciate and take an apology later on when you decide to calm down from that pedestal that you are sitting at, Mr.Knows-everything-and-it-is-never-wrong. Don't worries I don't hold grudges, and I'am a extremely likable individual and generous when I'am determined to be part of a community, so later on you might just eat your own words about "yet to see you release anything to the community".

    @ozgoose , I picked yes! I really do want to see a change of the mindset when it comes to black hat tools. I think by allowing the very type of people @Asif WILSON Khan likes to have on this forum will mean that we will be going backwards.

    I don't know if you heard about this tool, but I'am creating a lot of my bots with python and using Spark for my secret sauce. Later on, am moving over to getting more comfortable with Scala to start using Prediction.io . That is the direction I would like to see this forum, away from those clumsy GUI bots and into more programmable cores with extendable services. Obviously it is not the kind of bots @Asif WILSON Khan wants to see, as he likes to stay with the past since he obviously suggests you not to start.
     
  16. Asif WILSON Khan

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    Haha, the OP even called you out for talking nonsense and you still carry on.
    You have never developed or released a bot in your life but start arguments with every Bot Builder/Software Developer on BHW
    You are just one of those argumentative kids. It's OK, I have a teenage son, you will grow out of it just like he did.
     
  17. ozgoose

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    As it is, the software is pretty easy to use. The articles are created using a GUI see http://opensubmitter.org/creator/article-creator.html
    You just copy the resulting article submission to a text file and run the software. Your accounts are just listed in a csv file (usernames, passwords and service). A config file contains your indexing service details. The NodeJS GUI will just automatically drive the backend without the command line.
     
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  18. ozgoose

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    I just set up a website at http://opensubmitter.org . I'll add info to it as I go along. I'll need to write docs on how to use it etc.
     
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    This really cool OP. There's not a free and open source backlink submitter that I'm aware of. I tried SENuke and thought it was clunky and slow. RankerX is what I use now. It supports a lot of sites and you can add your own. The success rate is very high.

    But yeah, I think if you build a core that people can expand upon you might just spark a fire. I could see this becoming something big and like @SupremeBotBuilder said, you could have a whole ecosystem around this.

    Cheers to you OP! I'll be following your journey.
     
  20. ozgoose

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    I was probably a bit harsh with my response... my apologies. I will take your advice on board. I should be able to accommodate those with advanced skills in this area like yourself and those with zero skills. The hope is that once the software is released people will get involved with writing more service scripts. The process is pretty straight forward for creating your own services for those that understand css e.g. the following script creates an article for submission and logs into the wordpress service, you just add steps for the rest of the process. Each step will also generate a screenshot for debugging:
    {
    type: 'create' #Create spun article
    noHTML: false # Submit as HTML
    micro: false # Long submission not short/micro blog
    }
    {
    type: 'open' #Open login page
    url: 'https://wordpress.com/wp-login.php'
    confirm: '#user_login' # Confirm that login in form has appeared
    log: 'Opening login page...'
    fail: 'Could not open login page.'
    }
    {
    type: 'login' # Login to wordpress
    form: 'form#loginform' # Automatically submit account details into form fields
    username: '#user_login'
    password: '#user_pass'
    submit: true
    confirm: 'a[data-tip-target="my-sites"]' # Confirm the My Sites link has appeared.
    log: 'Logging in...'
    fail: 'Could not login.'
    }

    Of course it will make more sense when I write the documentation.
    Paul (aka Goose)
     
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