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Anyone heard of anyone losing their ISP connection over spam complaints?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by madamdesire, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. madamdesire

    madamdesire Newbie

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    Subject pretty much says all. I'm talking server and some client side mailing. As most know, it's really tough to get your ip OFF an email header - especially when sending via SMTP. Now, I don't use my ISP mail servers really at all. However, I'd like to carry out some of my "bulk sending" email from my home connection.

    I've read where a big ISP like att will block a port, but haven't been able to find any documented cases of people getting cut off without warning from the Interwebs :eek: Also, it *seems* the cases of ports getting blocked are dummies sending loads of mail over their own isp's outgoing or compromised machines.

    Thanks for any advice here.
     
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  2. Silverion

    Silverion Junior Member

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    Yes. This is fairly common in this day and age though it only happens to the big daddys. The ones who get tons and tons of complaints daily.
     
  3. mstrain

    mstrain Registered Member

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    I've definitely heard of it happening but I can't say I've ever seen it myself. I'd think it would take quite a lot of abuse.
     
  4. madamdesire

    madamdesire Newbie

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    so like 10,000 mails a day? i might even make them sorta can spam compliant ;)
     
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    alexking Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Yes very common. People even get sued for spamming. They take that stuff very seriously, you gotta be really careful
     
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    kvmcable Supreme Member

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    Even if you don't use the ISP's email address; SMTP sends on ports 25 or 587 typically and almost all ISPs monitor those ports for "per account" activity.

    You're risking the ISPs IP addresses that are typically shared (dynamic) amongst thousands of users and if you get those IPs listed on a SPAM block list you'll certainly draw their attention. They don't want any of their dynamic IPs listed on spam lists because it will prevent users that get those tainted IPs from sending emails to just about anywhere.

    My advice, don't screw around with emails through a home connection. You've got to work smarter than that.

    HTH
     
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    Xyz01 Regular Member Premium Member

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    ????

    Why are you bothering do something like that on your home connection? You can pickup a VPS for less than $5 a month and send out a multitude of emails more a day than you could with a home connection.
     
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    No, I have been threatened to be sued and dropped from my IP dozens of times for spam. I tell them why is it OK I get junk mails in my mail box and at my door, but I can't send a helpful E-mail. They will never stop everyone, you can send 1 million E-mails per day pretty safe if you do it right. I'm more into SEO and keyword stuffing these days, because it gives me way more traffic than E-mail in my situation.
     
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    1997 called....it wants its marketing campaign back
     
  10. madamdesire

    madamdesire Newbie

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    I'm not looking for the "can spam" or "sue" scare because that's just scare tactic stuff. I am planning to go to VPS soon, but I just dumped this money into another "local server" here and also I'm not sure on the VPS's and getting banned and losing money. Maybe they work, but at any rate I'd like to do some "waterpiping" from home if ya know what I mean ;)
     
  11. madamdesire

    madamdesire Newbie

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    Are you sure about that? Also, can I run vmware on a VPS? What can you run on those things and how hard are they to setup? If I get banned, will a get a REFUND ?
     
  12. kvmcable

    kvmcable Supreme Member

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    You're right, it's just scare tactic stuff until you get that envelope with the green label saying registered mail signature required. Or worst yet a man in a suit shows up with a funny looking badge. Then you'll realize what a "settlement" or even a legal response will cost you.

    I settled a $180,000 lawsuit on such action for $80,000 (after two years of headaches and 3 depositions) and luckily I had business insurance that hired the Attorney, paid a big chunk of the settlement and I was really good at pleading ignorance. It only cost me $15,000 out of pocket and a canceled business insurance policy after they paid up.

    Yeah it's just a scare tactic and nothing you need to concern yourself with. Nobody cares about spam these days. Keep firing away without protection. You asked a question and everyone gave you a similar response but it sounds like you know more than any of us. Don't let good advice stand in the way. Keep going.....

    As for VPS bans and such, understand one thing, when you do something that isn't legal there isn't 100% protection. You weigh risk verses reward constantly. If you're not making big bucks doing email spam without protection then you're foolish. Your exposure is too high for the reward. Now if you're making big bucks then your exposure is the cost of doing business and a calculated risk. A ban so what? You're making money and get another account. You figure an account a week until you learn how to stay under radar. Now if you're worried about losing $20-30 bucks then you better get out of the email business. Email spam is a deep pockets game and nobody worries about losing a VPS and asking for a refund. They just hope the action stops with an account closure.

    I sincerely wish you nothing but good luck....
     
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  13. madamdesire

    madamdesire Newbie

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    you got sued for over 100 grand for sending SPAM?! come on, there must have been something else ?

    I hear you on the VPS, but I'm just wondering about numbers. People are so quick to jump to conclusions. I said what about 10K emails a day? Plus , I change my ip with my isp every few thousand or so emails. As far as blacklisting, I think a lot of the cable ip's are already and you can't blame me for that. I know nothing!;)

    and ya still didn't tell me. Did you LOSE your internet connection for complaints ever?
     
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