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Anyone Got G Kicked for Not Varying Anchor Text?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by takeachance, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. takeachance

    takeachance Power Member

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    As the title suggests, I believe a 2 month old site of mine which was doing just fine in the serps for a host of keywords may have been burned as a result of perfectly aligned anchor text.

    The site crashed on the 27th of August following which the home page also disappeared from G for a couple of days and returned. A few weeks in now rankings have dropped to mid 200's from page 1 for the majoirty of terms. The home page has come back at around position 50 from the highs of #6...

    Obvioulsy scratching my head as to the cause - there has been no excessive link building just nice and slow good quality stuff, I have ruled out links as the problem. But today I checked my GWT links and noticed that the majority of my pages have perfactly aligned anchor texts. I used a couple of variations for each page but nothing too major (prob around 80%).

    I am now convinced that my over use of perfect anchor text on a 'new' site caused the crash - I am now using a raft of KW variations for each page drawn from GWT keywords - interesting to see if that does the trick...

    Any of you guys (and gals) seeing anything like this on newer sites? :eek:
     
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  2. SweTech

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    Of course..

    Having the same perfect anchor all over doesn´t make things look natural. Google can spot that from miles away.

    Always try to make things look just like it was "normal" people linking to the site, i.e. different anchors, some misspelling etc.
     
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    Most likely the spammy looking links with the same anchor text, as you suggested. Just keep building links with a wide variety of anchor text and youll be fine. Your site being in the 50s suggests a -50 penalty. Just keep building and let us know what happens
     
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  5. takeachance

    takeachance Power Member

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    Thanks for chipping in. This is something which I generally do although I have not noticed it so pronounced as this (as a problem) this year. Just wanted to see whether any other 'new' sites had experienced this within the last few weeks.
     
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    yes

    same happened with my sites as well.
     
  7. takeachance

    takeachance Power Member

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    Thanks for this - can you provide anymore detail, age of your site etc?
     
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    Entirely possible, but before I dive into it, what kinda linkbuilding have you been doing?
     
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    site was new, maybe 40 days old

    pm me your skype or yahoo chat id, i am also looking for a way to get back the rankings.
     
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    How many anchor texts do you guys use?

    Takeachance- How many did you use when you had the problem?
     
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    takeachance Power Member

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    I started slowly using articles with two contexual links submitted to article ranks, bookmarking to around 100 sites, a handful of high pr blog comments as well as some web 2.0 properties. The link count for the homepage after 2 months or so is only at 200 or so, inner pages have around 40-50 for each.

    Will do, thanks.

    For the home page I was using just two variations of my main keyword, the same for the inner pages - the problem for me has been sitewide i.e. a complete site penalty.

    yea, I was following your thread - some interesting findings....I do think this is really only applying to new sites within the last few months. I have many, many sites which I consitentantly take this same approach which are older and have not seen a problem at all. It seems the filters have gotten more intelligent in terms of those anchor texts. As I say, I have now begun hammering a complete and wide ranging related key terms at the pages as well as consitantly adding new content (unique). My bounce rates and pages visited are excellent, on page SEO is nailed and the content is long and unqiue with links to authority sites etc - the only thing left in my book was the anchor text variation....
     
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    Yes, I am almost positive I have a very similar site suffering a penalty for the same reason.
    Site is 4 months old, and links have been built slowly. Currently only 230 links to entire site, with about 70 to homepage.
    Never really thought about it, as most of my sites are aged, but my anchors were perfectly aligned with my inside pages and homepage.
    I did use 2 variations per inside page, and over 6 for the homepage, but I still think I got hit.
    Keep us posted, as I am curious to see how you get it back.
     
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    Only two variations is totally unnatural and asking to get nailed. Think about what a real site would have as its anchor text: some target keyword, a whole bunch of related keywords, "domain.com", "url", "click here" as well as some image links probably. Apart from keeping it natural and under the radar, massive variety in anchor text helps you get more traffic from related keywords and long tails.

    If you take a look at the top 10s across a range of niches, not many pages seem to have what would be classed as the traditional optimization strategies. It's fairly clear that there are some stringent anti-optimization strategies in place in the algo.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. The point I was trying to get at was this seems to be a new change given older sites are not being effected by anchor texts which are only diverse by a small multiple. I have plenty of evidence to the contrary on this for older sites. I also agree with your comments around the top 10, I do think now that if your onpage seo is good enough to tell G00gle what your page is about the presence of anchor text links to further back up the context of the page is not required as much as it used to.

    I have a number of sites which are 5+ years old and which I have never done any backlinking to - looking at the backlink anchor text profile is always enlightening given the majority of anchor texts bear little resemblance to the target pages but this does not stop if from ranking given the on page seo is sufficient. The links still count alot in ranking but the anchor text is less so IMO (unless your onpage seo is crap).
     
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    I got dumped about 200 places at about the same time - wasn't for anchor text though.

    I had lots of "click here" and "website" anchors.

    (as we all should do)
     
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    I think this just started after the google update, i had many sites before which were ranking well(they are still ranking well) and i was building links with just one targeted anchor text.
     
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    Personally I am using these "perfectly aligned anchor text" for inner pages and never really have any problem with it.

    Maybe the difference might be (and maybe not :)), that I always build second tier links to these first tier links, and in this second tier, the anchors differs significantly.

    As you can see from my profile, I am new to IM so my websites are also new - just to avoid questioning it.
     
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    This is NOT an anchor text problem. Period. You're looking at the wrong place.
    Look at how exactly you build links and what kind of content you put out there.
    Avoid flat backlink profile at all costs.
     
  20. takeachance

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    Interesting - can you expand on the 'flat' profile for the benefit of all interested here.