Anyone ever tried the Chinese ASO (App Store optimization) thing ?

Rock_Shock · Oct 1, 2016

I saw this article and then went to the website offering the services. The prices look much better than BHW. I know a few BHW sellers won't like me saying this as their business my be affected but there is a widely circulating article which shows Chinese ASO Manipulation in action..and in classic chinese style they like their manipulation in mass quantities

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I dont have enough posts so cant put links but google :
This is how App Store rankings are manipulated

And click the first result from verge...also featured in huff post etc.. I would like to know if anyone has tried this as the website is in Mandarin..i translated to English.. but hasn't been talked about much on BHW.. Prices seem great..have few K reviews too..

Lunaaa · Oct 1, 2016

i dont understand

Rock_Shock · Oct 1, 2016

makistoj said:
i dont understand

Which part ?

Lunaaa · Oct 2, 2016

Rock_Shock said:
Which part ?

Your whole post. Like what are you talking about and what does a Asian person with 50 phones have to do with it

azurous · Oct 2, 2016

Thats hilarious.

Rasputin78 · Oct 2, 2016

Sounds very interesting. Didn't know this was around:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/12/8024861/top-10-app-store-manipulation-photo

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

makistoj said:
Your whole post. Like what are you talking about and what does a Asian person with 50 phones have to do with it

Dude ASO = App Store Optimization..

Installs, Ratings and Reviews for Apps' ASO are equivalent to PBN, web 2.0 and SAPE for website SEO.

ASO is the SEO for apps... get your app ranking number one and make sh*tloads of money...as simple as that..

My question is => Has anyone tried this ? The cost is dirt cheap because labor cost in developing countries is nothing. I am not chinese but I am in a developing country and if i had a dedicated team I could sell installs, reviews and ratings at 1/10th the cost of the current BST listings and still have better margins. The chinese can do it even cheaper...
Though if i had my own team I wouldn't sell anything and I would just ASO the hell outta my own apps. Why optimize other's stuff when I can optimize my own and make more ?

Though...to get back to my point.. Would be cool to know the price and reviews of any good providers on there.. There problem i.. most of that sh*t is in Chinese Mandarin and doesn't translate perfectly via google or bing translators.. and I cant understand half of it..

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

Rasputin78 said:
Sounds very interesting. Didn't know this was around:

Was around since quite some time..Saw this link a few months ago Please let me know in case you ever try it.. I would love to try had it not been for the language barrier.

Lunaaa · Oct 2, 2016

Rock_Shock said:
Dude ASO = App Store Optimization..

Installs, Ratings and Reviews for Apps' ASO are equivalent to PBN, web 2.0 and SAPE for website SEO.

ASO is the SEO for apps... get your app ranking number one and make sh*tloads of money...as simple as that..

My question is => Has anyone tried this ? The cost is dirt cheap because labor cost in developing countries is nothing. I am not chinese but I am in a developing country and if i had a dedicated team I could sell installs, reviews and ratings at 1/10th the cost of the current BST listings and still have better margins. The chinese can do it even cheaper...
Though if i had my own team I wouldn't sell anything and I would just ASO the hell outta my own apps. Why optimize other's stuff when I can optimize my own and make more ?

Though...to get back to my point.. Would be cool to know the price and reviews of any good providers on there.. There problem i.. most of that sh*t is in Chinese Mandarin and doesn't translate perfectly via google or bing translators.. and I cant understand half of it..

Ya I get that. But why would you want someone to do it manually. Im sure you could get a bot to do it from 1 device changing proxies and imei number or whatever needs to be changed. Buying like 100 phones would be way too expensive esspetially for IOS. So why not just use a bot

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

azurous said:
Thats hilarious.

Well..they are doing a good job though.. I was actually planning on hiring a few minimum wage workers in my country and getting this done for inhouse apps..
You can get a lot done if labor is cheap and you wanna scale up..

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

makistoj said:
Ya I get that. But why would you want someone to do it manually. Im sure you could get a bot to do it from 1 device changing proxies and imei number or whatever needs to be changed. Buying like 100 phones would be way too expensive esspetially for IOS. So why not just use a bot

I wouldn't agree with that.. Androids are dirt cheap in developing countries.. you can get 20 awesome quality Android phones for the price of 1 iPhone 7..
Talking about iPhones.. yeah I thought about that it may cost more.. but the thing is second hand iPhones specially the older models like iPhone 4 are pretty cheap.. In the country I am in the apple people are clearing their old inventory and older iphones are going for 1/4th the newer ones.

In developing countries.. the above option would be cheaper...also I think they must sure as hell have some way of detecting this stuff if it were that easy to manipulate.. coz.. Google places reviews cant be done via bots and emulation.. I haven't heard about anyone doing it.. If you know of someone who can o maybe if you can create something like this.. like a bot for reviews..let us know..will be more than happy to buy from you. I have mastered faking google places reviews.. and I extrapolated it to apps.. I dont know of any bot that can do places reviews.. they get ghosted too quick..even the carefully crafted ones.. Think about it for a second..I haven't seen even the best places on google get more than a couple hundred reviews.. If it were that easy..everyone would be doing it.. because there is a lot of money to be made..and if a bot could manipulate it.. we would be doing it on a mass scale..

tl;dr i dont think a bot can do fake reviews on playstore or app store for android or ios. If one can and if someone gaurantees it, shoot me a message..will pay in excess of 1K USD for it easily..

Lunaaa · Oct 2, 2016

Rock_Shock said:
I wouldn't agree with that.. Androids are dirt cheap in developing countries.. you can get 20 awesome quality Android phones for the price of 1 iPhone 7..
Talking about iPhones.. yeah I thought about that it may cost more.. but the thing is second hand iPhones specially the older models like iPhone 4 are pretty cheap.. In the country I am in the apple people are clearing their old inventory and older iphones are going for 1/4th the newer ones.

In developing countries.. the above option would be cheaper...also I think they must sure as hell have some way of detecting this stuff if it were that easy to manipulate.. coz.. Google places reviews cant be done via bots and emulation.. I haven't heard about anyone doing it.. If you know of someone who can o maybe if you can create something like this.. like a bot for reviews..let us know..will be more than happy to buy from you. I have mastered faking google places reviews.. and I extrapolated it to apps.. I dont know of any bot that can do places reviews.. they get ghosted too quick..even the carefully crafted ones.. Think about it for a second..I haven't seen even the best places on google get more than a couple hundred reviews.. If it were that easy..everyone would be doing it.. because there is a lot of money to be made..and if a bot could manipulate it.. we would be doing it on a mass scale..

tl;dr i dont think a bot can do fake reviews on playstore or app store for android or ios. If one can and if someone gaurantees it, shoot me a message..will pay in excess of 1K USD for it easily..

Problem about the iPhone 4. Now alot of apps are becoming incompatible with it. In 1 year almost all apps will probably be incompatible. I think.

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

makistoj said:
Problem about the iPhone 4. Now alot of apps are becoming incompatible with it. In 1 year almost all apps will probably be incompatible. I think.

Not if you make your own apps

I guess if you make em..you can keep em compatible with older versions.. also iphone 4 was an example..iphone 5 may also be cheap as compared to iphone 7.. iphone 5 may cost a bit more than iphone 4..but not much.. At the end of the day..it's all about number crunching..if it makes financial sense..getting minimum wage employees in a developing country do it inhouse might be cost effective as compared to outsourcing or maybe more than bots.. I guess proxies would still cost money..and i dunno..maybe captchas.. using your own phones and sims would mean dynamic IP and would mean the only 2 costs you have are: 1. Phones 2. Manpower.. It boils down to volume in my opinion..if you are doing it on a mass scale it would always be better to do it inhouse.

On a serious note.. could you enlighten me about a few things taking into account my zero background knowledge in having ever used an iPhone and knowing very little apart from the fact that jailbreak it awesome.. Can you answer a few questions:

- Can't iPhones (none jailbroken ones) be upgraded to a new iOS.. so like.. if i have an iphone 4 cant i get ios 7 ?
like I bought a hp PC with XP in it..then went to windows 7 and then windows 8 and then 10...can't this be done to iPhones.. I am sorry for being totally ignorant..have no iOS apps and have never used an iPhone ever.. Would appreciate an indepth answer on how this works ?
Thanks

Lunaaa · Oct 2, 2016

Rock_Shock said:
Not if you make your own apps I guess if you make em..you can keep em compatible with older versions.. also iphone 4 was an example..iphone 5 may also be cheap as compared to iphone 7.. iphone 5 may cost a bit more than iphone 4..but not much.. At the end of the day..it's all about number crunching..if it makes financial sense..getting minimum wage employees in a developing country do it inhouse might be cost effective as compared to outsourcing or maybe more than bots.. I guess proxies would still cost money..and i dunno..maybe captchas.. using your own phones and sims would mean dynamic IP and would mean the only 2 costs you have are: 1. Phones 2. Manpower.. It boils down to volume in my opinion..if you are doing it on a mass scale it would always be better to do it inhouse.

On a serious note.. could you enlighten me about a few things taking into account my zero background knowledge in having ever used an iPhone and knowing very little apart from the fact that jailbreak it awesome.. Can you answer a few questions:

- Can't iPhones (none jailbroken ones) be upgraded to a new iOS.. so like.. if i have an iphone 4 cant i get ios 7 ?
like I bought a hp PC with XP in it..then went to windows 7 and then windows 8 and then 10...can't this be done to iPhones.. I am sorry for being totally ignorant..have no iOS apps and have never used an iPhone ever.. Would appreciate an indepth answer on how this works ?
Thanks

You can upgrade to a certain point. I believe iPhone 4 can't get the newest Ios which is Ios 10, but I believe iPhone 5 can. But also it slows down the phone Usualy alot more because they are more tailored to the new ones and uses more processing power.

Also you will need lots of proxies and accounts. And switching between proxies on phones will take a long time. A

Also I believe there is a bot but they are not as effective or as safe as real people doing it.

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

makistoj said:
You can upgrade to a certain point. I believe iPhone 4 can't get the newest Ios which is Ios 10, but I believe iPhone 5 can. But also it slows down the phone Usualy alot more because they are more tailored to the new ones and uses more processing power.

Also you will need lots of proxies and accounts. And switching between proxies on phones will take a long time. A

Also I believe there is a bot but they are not as effective or as safe as real people doing it.

I need no proxies for Google playstore.. Zero Zilch.. my method uses no proxies.. Never tried iPhone but it should be similar from what i asked a friend who uses it.
Single handedly with no proxies and one time investment of $2000 and monthly expense of maybe $200 I can give 5K reviews, ratings and installs (all 3) single-handedly myself to any app per month. That is one person working 12 hours a day total for a month. I can do many times more with a team. No proxies needed in my method and no PVA account or anything.

Lunaaa · Oct 2, 2016

Rock_Shock said:
I need no proxies for Google playstore.. Zero Zilch.. my method uses no proxies.. Never tried iPhone but it should be similar from what i asked a friend who uses it.
Single handedly with no proxies and one time investment of $2000 and monthly expense of maybe $200 I can give 5K reviews, ratings and installs (all 3) single-handedly myself to any app per month. That is one person working 12 hours a day total for a month. I can do many times more with a team. No proxies needed in my method and no PVA account or anything.

Why no proxies or accounts. You need a apple account to download. And hundreds of app install from the same ip will not work well.

Rock_Shock · Oct 2, 2016

makistoj said:
Why no proxies or accounts. You need a apple account to download. And hundreds of app install from the same ip will not work well.

There is an exploit..atleast for Android.. I know..as i do it routinely.. Anyways.. best of luck..

If anyone knows about the chinese bit..it would be great..

hanbingtel · Oct 5, 2016

I come from China, recently in the study of virtual numbers, Android collective control related things.

iglow · Oct 5, 2016

just go to any computer shop and do this for free - just spend time

amoon · Oct 5, 2016

hi

are you aware of the new update In google play store...

if a device or phone re viewed multiple apps a day, google will detect that, and will flag those apps as incentive reviews... the last update made it hard for that kind of business

installs seem working now, wel at the moment

cheers
amoon

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