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Anyone Else Think Market Samurai Is Inaccurate?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by bobbylove321, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    What is up with all these tools being inaccurate? It kind of gets annoying when searching for markets to dominate.

    Example: Hip Hop Songs

    When I first went for that keyword, the Google Keyword Tool:

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    Said that the keyword "Hip Hop Songs" gets about 110,000 exact global searches monthly. I thought to myself "Wow this would be a great keyword to dominate", several weeks later, I'm ranked 2nd position for Hip Hop Songs and I get 60-80 searches per day!

    According to the Google tool the keyword gets 3,667 exact searches per day, I'm 2nd position on the first page receiving not even 5% of that. (Right now I'm 3rd position for the past 48 hours)

    I checked the same keyword with Market Samurai, and it says 3,616 exact searches per day, and that 1st position should expect about 1,518 searches per day. This also makes no sense because you would think 2nd position would get more than 60-80 searches per day if 1st position gets 1,518!

    You would also think a keyword like Hip Hop Songs gets a lot of searches?

    I then checked Webmaster Tools for Google Analytics, and I only see from August 1 - August 29, about 1,900 clicks out of 8,100 impressions which is 23% of clicks for the keyword Hip Hop Songs.

    So what this is saying is that in the past month about 8,100+ people have put in Hip Hop Songs into Google and potentially could have clicked on my site, which I highly doubt.

    So conclusion is that Google Keyword Tool is inaccurate, Market Samurai is inaccurate (since it most likely uses Google Keyword Tool), and Google Webmaster Tools makes no sense.

    You would think Market Samurai would be at least accurate since you have to pay for the full version. (Free trial allows you to search keywords)

    Hopefully a new tool comes out that is actually accurate for once.

    Anyone else have any similar experiences?

    Also, this is why I don't take any "Gurus" advice serious when they release products saying "I'm first page for so and so keyword making $15,000 per month".
     
  2. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Another funny thing with Market Samurai is that it says "Hip Hop" is easier to dominate than "Hip Hop Music".

    I'm on the first page of Hip Hop Music, but I'm having to work my butt off for Hip Hop.

    So Market Samurai is pretty inaccurate in my opinion.
     
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  3. keekn

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    have you made an 24 hours adwords test campaign targeting the number one page with your [EXACT] and "PHRASE" Keyword ?

    good test if this keyword really gets traffic or not...
     
  4. Numa68

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    I've never used Market Samurai so I cannot vouch for its accuracy. However, I do use G's keyword tool quite a lot and find it to be reasonably accurate.

    One thing to consider about the 110k global searches - inside the keyword tool itself, G states the following about Global Monthly Searches:

    "The approximate 12-month average of user queries for the keyword on G*****.com and the G***** Search Network."

    So the 110k global searches are actually a 12 month rolling average for the keywords shown. To complicate matters further, look at the Local Search Trends column. If previous months are higher but more recent months are lower, this will translate into fewer current searches for a specific keyword.

    Also, just because you are looking at global searches doesn't mean that G is delivering traffic from all over the world via its country-specific portals. Yes, although Webmaster Tools will let you pick a specific geographic target that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll be ranking the same for g*****.de as you would for g*****.com.

    Oh, and depending on the quality of the link at the #1 position (and if there are sitelinks or a Local entry), the #2 spot might only get 40-60% of the traffic of the top spot.
     
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  5. WorkingOnIt

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    How do you know that your site is in 2nd place? I'm asking this because I have a website that are in 1st place in my computer and in another computer doesn't show in 1st place ...
     
  6. thevil

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    Google Webmaster Tools has stats where you can see exactly where your website ranks for on their serps. It should display how many times your keyword was searched and what your website position was and its CTR.
     
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    The best number you'll get out of Google is EXACT and LOCAL. I've tested this for all of my sites. Pretty sure Market Samurai gives you results for EXACT and GLOBAL. You'll have to jump back to Googles keyword tool to get the "real" number.

    Yes, looking at EXACT and LOCAL gives you the lowest number possible but hey, you wanted the truth. Until you become an authority site, looking at the PHRASE results will just play with your head.
     
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  8. NoWhErE

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    Try clearing your cache and cookies.
     
  9. bobbylove321

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    I never said I use the phrase results.

    But I think you are right and the REAL number is "local".
     
  10. bobbylove321

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    I think Market Samurai uses Google's search numbers, and if it does then that's a "waste" of keyword searching with Market Samurai since the results are pretty much the same.

    Don't you hate when tools say they can give you search numbers, and then they just give you Google's?
     
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    The default for MS is indeed GLOBAL, however in the project settings you can specify your local country
     
  12. iquickship

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    interesting idea, but can you picture yourself, or anyone for that matter, typing "hip hop music" into google. I'm sure its pretty easy to monetize with ringtones etc, but I could never picture myself or imagine anyone typing "hip hop music" into google. Obviously some people do tho or you would have no UV :)
     
  13. mervarid

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    well friends same prob here and i also started a thread here a few days back. My keyword has 49000 exact local search volume in adwords keyword tool and yes i also researched with micro niche finder.

    after hard efforts when i rank i see not even 100 users a month. When i tested many tools and compared the results then i came to one single point. No tool is gonna tell you exactly there is no specific method that tool works to collect information.

    The most interesting part for me that when i checked other 9 results which rank for my keywords i don't see they have any traffic at all. So they are already dead.

    I asked this question from many SEO and SEM Experts and the answer was its really strange its not gonna happen anyway.

    so my suggestion don't trust any tool. use a combination of tools to research the markets.

    Thanks
     
  14. Minhoo

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    I couldn't agree with you more!
     
  15. jakekelly

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    Market Samurai is a great tool, but you can only trust these tools as a guideline for your keyword research. The best way to figure out the keywords to target is to run an Adwords test. The best keywords I have ever discovered have come from running these test ads. Granted, you are going to have to spend money to do this, but it is worth it because you don't want to waste your time on a keyword that doesn't get many searches.
     
  16. TCDTC

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    How much money, on average? No worries if that is impossible to quantify! Do you try and get the #1 position, or just any position?

    Cheers!
     
  17. pucky

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    That is why Nicheprofitsclassrooms tool uses Yahoo. They state is far more accurate than Google is.
     
  18. Ramsweb

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    I have used market samurai a lot in the past and it has been fairly accurate. Sure, sometimes it is off but never by this much.

    Here are some reasons for your problems.

    Have you only recently moved up in rankings? It could be possible that you are ranked highly in just one or two of the many datacenters that google has. If this is the case, you could stabilize over the next few days.

    I am guessing that this is the case. Do you have analytics. Check if your visitors are all coming from similar IP's. If that is the case, you can prepare yourself for more visitors as they come from different data centers as well.

    There used to be tools where you can check your ranking across different datacenters but since the Google update in May, most of them do not really work anymore.