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Anyone else have moral issues promoting free trials?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by drdankmendez, Jan 7, 2010.

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Do acai and other trial offers conflict morally with you?

  1. Yes, I choose not to promote them because its shady.

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  2. No, I have no issue, screw those fat people and their bank accounts.

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  3. I have no clue what offers you are talking about.

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  1. drdankmendez

    drdankmendez Regular Member

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    Hey guys and gals, I assume I will get some responses like "This is BHW, get over it" or "Go back to DP you pansy!" or some other nonsense like that. But I am really interested to see how other people feel about these offers.

    I was promoting Acai free trial offers, you know the ones where people pay 4.95 then their cards get automatically charged for a few hundred bucks and the person has no option to stop the payments other than canceling their credit card and filing with their banks to get their money back.

    Now, before someone goes off and says that people should read the terms before buying, I agree, but that doesn't really happen and beyond that most of the companies don't follow the terms anyhow, they start autobilling before they should and bill more often then they outline in the terms.

    I have never claimed to be a saint, but making people think these trials work and they are safe to order really makes me feel dirty...I have stopped promoting them as the $300 per day isn't needed for my survival and I would rather be proud of what I promote than have the extra cash.

    I was just wondering if anyone else here has experienced a similar moral issue promoting the acai or other free trial offers that autobill with shady/hidden terms.

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  2. insider

    insider Regular Member

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    I'm a bit like you on that one so I choosed to promote a non trial acai product (pm if you want to know the aff) ...
     
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  3. Ramage

    Ramage Registered Member

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    Yeah same here, just don't promote them. Plenty of other ways to make money online, especially when Visa/MC are starting to crack down hard on the non-compliant ones (which is like 90% of them).
     
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  4. Flinx

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    These ACAI rebilling scam offers hurt customers. I would never knowingly do anything to hurt a customer. In addition to being morally and ethically wrong to lead someone into a contract that you know is bad for them, it also very bad business.

    Customer acquisition cost (how much it costs to get a customer) is so high that it is a good idea to never piss them off. There is a reason that the big firms always calculate a "customer lifetime value" in $$$$$. It means that customers are machines that give you money and it is in your best interest to keep them happy and well oiled.

    Russell Brunson said " If you believe that your product is the best possible product and that it will help your customer, you have a moral responsibility to market that product as aggressively as possible"

    I also believe the opposite is true. If you know the product is a scam, you should not market the product.

    Flinx
     
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  5. excaflowne

    excaflowne Junior Member

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    i'm agree with you.. just imagine if someone does the same to you... what goes around.. blablah you know the idea :rolleyes:
     
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    I am about to promote acai on MH. But I think I might not continue it..
     
  7. s0phia

    s0phia Regular Member

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    This is BHW, get over it.
     
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    i also got nontrial acai products if somebody wants
     
  9. drdankmendez

    drdankmendez Regular Member

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    Bout time, was waiting for it :)

    Thanks s0phia for adding your jiggly avatar to this thread. ;)
     
  10. s0phia

    s0phia Regular Member

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    hehe, you are so welcome!

    on topic: i remember having moral issues first few weeks, they disappeared pretty fast, i just pushed through it ;)
     
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  11. Sanitarium

    Sanitarium Regular Member

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    I have never claimed to be a saint, but making people think these trials work and they are safe to order really makes me feel clean.
     
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  12. Dappy

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    try running a WH campaign and see how un-competitive it is against a rebill... u'll have to give in eventually...

    nobody "likes" sticking rebills but well its like this... u dont promote rebills u become uncompetitive... u are un-competitive you gotta leave the business coz u loosing money...

    so i pick being in business over thinking bout all this...

    you are free to drop rebills but somebody else will pick them up and you would become uncompetitive coz u are using a WH offer.
     
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  13. brchcar1445

    brchcar1445 Regular Member

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    I really don't have any moral issues. I know how the game works on the backend though. I have worked for a bank in credit card customer service. The dispute process heavily favors the card holder. I can tell you from experience that credit card companies are very good about filing disputes and the card holders typically win.

    This is one of the ways that Visa finds out about the invalid merchants. The bank must contact the merchant to see how the charge was filed and if the charge is valid. If the company is unable to provide suitable proof that the charge is valid then the credit card company demands they credit the card back or they will face legal issues with the bank. You can imagine who usually wins that one. The banks also reports these merchants to their merchant services and visa/mastercard.
     
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    GreenGoblin BANNED BANNED

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    great answer, im a merchant with mastercard and visa...all the customer has to do is file a chargeback, and they will when it bottom line.
     
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    Just think that every time you push one of those offers on an unsuspecting customer and they get rebilled, thats a potential customer lost forever. They will never do business in the net again. You can say well there is fresh meat everyday out there, but thats not how solid businesses are built. They are built on reputation. The one hit wonders are built on the scam.
     
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  16. brchcar1445

    brchcar1445 Regular Member

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    Thats a very valid argument. We all know how old people think the internet is the devil. Slap them with a free trial and its gone. But at the same time, people become wiser not scared. We are a different generation of internet users. And I promise you even if I was a victim of a free trial it would not stop me from buying on the internet.

    Just because you buy some fake oakleys you thought were real in mexico doesnt mean you stop buying stuff at your local walmart. People get smarter but so do we. Just the way things are. Buying stuff on the internet is only going to get bigger and bigger, regardless of free trials.
     
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    I would never do that, that actually happened to me, and it totally sucked because I had to cancel my card while I was in another state during xmas and pretty much had to borrow money until I got home and could go to the bank. X-mas ended up being pretty scarce.
     
  18. MikeHustle

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    Trials and the lottery are a tax on the stupid.
     
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    Canceling your card does not always stop a merchant from continuing to charge your account. If a merchant has access to an old authorization number they can re run it for the same amount. So changing a card number does not always stop a merchant from charging. Even after an account is closed a charge can still come through. Thats why there is disputes. Its a minor inconvenience but your better off disputing charges than changing your information. Changing your info is a huge inconvenience, just keep disputing the charge everytime it shows.
     
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    LOL- Love that one! I couldn't have put it better myself. :tee:
    I got over the moral issues after realizing how much like sheep people are.

    Make money selling them what they will always be looking for, an instant solution to a lifelong problem.
     
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