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Any way to safeguard $$ sites from Neg SEO?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by radarsurge, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. radarsurge

    radarsurge Regular Member Premium Member

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    People are getting Neg SEO'd right and left. Had a client in my office today(computer services field) that got hit with Cheap Viagra links... GONE.

    If I am trying to build a solid authority sites with good content, quality back link profile ETC - What can I do to give myself a fighting chance if someone NEG SEO's me?

    I am DESPERATELY trying not to join the "dark side"
     
  2. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Best way to safeguard them is simply to not try to make authority sites anymore...

    Using the Disallow tool has demonstrably not worked at protecting against negative SEO, which is about as surprising as Google's profits dropping in Q3.
     
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    chummm Registered Member

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    This new trend of Negative SEO really shows how desperate people are..
     
  4. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Or how effective it is...
     
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  5. radarsurge

    radarsurge Regular Member Premium Member

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    I suppose you are right on some level, I'm going to have to mull that over for a few days. Things sure do change fast in this business.
     
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    Is/was the computer services business a local business? If so, failing to have a strong local presence is going to make them vulnerable to negative SEO. They don't look legit to begin with, add in some penis backlinks and Google concludes it's pure crap. Also, if the business already has a spammy profile, it might not take much to knock them off.

    If they had ranked previously, how had they acquired their position? Is/was the NAP consistant? Local reviews? etc... How much Local SEO was used?
     
  7. michaelshezzer

    michaelshezzer Junior Member

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    Grab as many of those spam links URLS and 301 redirect them through your .htaccess file to another competitor site simples :D it works trust me!!
     
  8. radarsurge

    radarsurge Regular Member Premium Member

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    It was a local guy with a minimal local presence. I'm not too worried about him, I'll rank him in no time. I'm more worried for my large authority sites and authority sites of my clients... If they can Neg Seo an authority sites than it's just not worth the effort.
     
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    If the disavow tool doesn't work, then I don't really know what would. I think it's all part of Google's attempt to force paid listings on everyone.
     
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    Build as much quality links as possible. If you are in really competitive niche - build hundreds links each day (like Social Bookmarks and Social Signals). After few months even if you will be hit with pretty well crafted neg SEO campaign - it will get diluted and most of your extra links will just neutralize negative effect of sites from which links come from which will be followed by increased rankings.
    Actually its not that easy to get long lasting effects with neg SEO - so as long as you deal with noobs and amazing "pros" - you are good to go.
     
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  12. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Yeah, build social signals which are non-indexable and don't count as links anyway. Or overspammed social bookmarks from pliggs and scuttles as well. That will surely protect you against a 4 hour xrumer campaign
     
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    ExtraWinner BANNED BANNED

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    OK boss, like Google cant see social signals using their 3rd party partners. The fact that Google doesn't show page/link as indexed doesn't mean they didn't indexed it in their backend.
    And if all daily links you can think of are Social Bookmarks coming from pligg sites... well, that's the reason SEO is going downhill lately. Any software is just a tool - its up to person behind it what will be the results and how work will be done.
     
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  14. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Google is not partnered with Facebook or Twitter, in fact Bing and FB are partnered. None of this data is given to Google

    You do realize that Stumpleupon, etc use 302 redirects right for the most part? Ie. Google won't even see these 'links'

    If you know of platforms to dump 100+ SBs/day to that aren't pligg, scuttle, dolphin, phpdug let me know. None of this will save you from Negative SEO anyway though, so it's kind of a silly conversation.
     
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    ExtraWinner BANNED BANNED

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    lol, ok man, Google - multibillion company cant read social media in a way that simplest, free SEO toolbars can. Heck - they cant even scrape sites like http://twittercounter.com/ http://www.wildfireapp.com/ or even using their Google Analytics social feature. Anyways this conversation leads nowhere so I am off.
     
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    yup, shit is crazy how its working right now
     
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    It sounds like you think local presence is "weaker" than organic. The opposite is true. A legitimate local business with strong local presence is going to be harder to penalize than an organic business with no local connection.

    Which would you think is more likely to be built on nothing but spam? A website that has no connection to anything other than other websites (i.e. backlinks), or a local business with a brick & mortar address, verifiable location and history of being "there"?

    If yp.com and all the other local citations say it's there, it's there. If a "local guy" has failed to do even the most basic Local SEO (and there is a prioritized list of must-do's), it doesn't take too much spam to make him look like he's fake, fly-by-night, etc... He's not "there", so pushing him off page 1 is not difficult, and it's no loss to the Users anyways. He was never really "there" to begin with.

    The biggest problem I see with local businesses is that they get their local SEO information from people that rank non-local keywords like "weight loss", and employ the same methods attempting to rank for "vancouver electrician". When that fails (for whatever reason), they have a head full of irrelevant and just plain wrong information which must be surgically removed before any useful information can be implanted.
     
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    What the htaccess code to do that?


     
  19. radarsurge

    radarsurge Regular Member Premium Member

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    I fully agree. Getting a solid local placement is going to be our first step in his campaign. I've built my lifestyle off ranking local contractor placements (and organic) and hiring out subs to do the work so if I came off a bit flippant it's because, at the moment, the thought of me being Neg'd on one of my authority sites is freaking me out.

    Good back and forth on this thread, glad I started it.
     
  20. michaelshezzer

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    Erm no that method doesn't work anymore as redirects can pass on penalties and filters such as penguin to other sites. This is why 301 redirecting specific links will make the google spider pass on that junk juice to another domain and not yours.