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Any way to outrank Big Portals in SERPS?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by luizeba, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. luizeba

    luizeba Regular Member

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    Hello mates....


    Is there any way to outrank sites from Big Portals in SERPS?

    I mean, they already has a lot of sites, linking together and these things...
    All with high PR...


    There is a way to outrank they? I think it's almost impossible....
     
  2. lazlow

    lazlow Regular Member

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    hello girl...

    You won't outrank the big daddies in short term keywords.. but you might have a bigger chance with the long tail keywords..
     
  3. luizeba

    luizeba Regular Member

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    I know everyone here is focusing long tail keywords...

    But I don't want to stay on the marginal keywords...the real money is in Short Term Keywords...and I want to be there..

    I'm already the first spot for a 1.1kk searchs monthly keyword (exact, of course)...and in 4th for a 1.8kk...

    But I'm focusing a really big keyword (more than 5kk monthly search), but I stuck at second page, and it suck --'
     
  4. _Austin

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    You should build up the keyword density for that keyword on your site or page in particular
    that you are trying to get ranked. Build a large linkwheel for that keyword pointing to that
    page/site and wait a week or two then build another. Keep repeating this process until you
    see your site ranked where you want it.

    _Austin
     
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  5. youngguy

    youngguy Senior Member

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    Keyword Density is useless ;) Try natural backlinks instead
     
  6. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    To luizeba:

    I just have to say . . . I love a lady who thinks big . . . You go girl!

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
     
  7. seomedia

    seomedia Registered Member

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    It's a long process, but build up the back-links.

    Read up on backlink processes - also this is a great link that's been given in the forum:

    Code:
    http://www.buzzblogger.com/how-to-become-a-link-building-ninja/
    P.S - LOL looks like the potential to ewhore even HERE exists - LOLZ oh the irony!
     
  8. Silversten

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    If you are 1 and 4 for some terms that get 1,100,000 and 1,800,000 searches monthly then I think you are probably way better than anyone else posting here.

    I'd say your best course of action is to take what you do, and think of a way to automate or outsource it to a greater degree, so that you can do whatever you have been doing, but MORE!

    Whatever you are doing has clearly been working, so just try to scale it up.
     
  9. RichGirl

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    mistake......
     
  10. Jekashi

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    Like everyone else has said, just keep racking up the long tail keywords, but make sure the short tail (such as "dating advice") is located in your long tail keywords (ie: "teen dating advice").

    Some battles are harder than others, but all it takes is persistance and you'll get there one day! Sometimes you might even be surprised for the other keywords you rank for that you weren't targeting. (I've had this happen to me a number of times.)

    As far as the actual process goes, I would look into some of the linkwheel structures that Micallef has posted in the past. There were a few that he posted that were designed specifically to pass PR (and therefore a general SERPS increase if kept relevant).
     
  11. pizzafasie

    pizzafasie Junior Member

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    as you already know: content is king... :)
     
  12. Ontopic

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    You're competing in the Brazilian market?
     
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    UOL is a bitch :)
     
  14. xbox360gurl70s

    xbox360gurl70s Elite Member

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    if you have the patience for the next 6 months till 2 years down the road then go ahead and compete with the big boys.
     
  15. catchme

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    The money is in the 3 words/term keyword phrases.
     
  16. luizeba

    luizeba Regular Member

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    So you really say that the keyword 'mobile', with 4kk searchs monthly and with a estimated CPC of 3.6$ is WORST than 'buy cheap mobile', with 720 searchs monthly and estimated CPC of 2.6$ or than 'best mobile phone', with 22k searchs and CPC of 3.2$??

    You need fast help, for real...

    Long Tails Keywords are really easier to rank, and they can bring you money, of course.
    But you can't say that the best keywords aren't the 1-or-2 words keywords, with millions of monthly searches...
     
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    It's not really just a matter of long/short tail, but how defined these searches are and what part of the buying ( desired action ) process the searcher is at when looking for this. Also, sth none seems to think about is the fact that all of this should be considered in relation with the monetization method.

    For instance, the kw "where to buy cheap nokia azsd20 online" will probably have great conversions, better than "what is latest nokia release" ( long tail ) and just "nokia". However, the latter would give you fantastic results by sheer number of searches if you were sending people to a very well known place ( like ebay) with a 7-day "permissive" cookie referral system ( pretty much like it was till last month) or some general free cpa offer. You can't really generalize on things like these. There are MANY factors to be considered.

    Going back to your original question, I've done this in two different ways:

    1- By slowly building a backlink structure pointing to sites focusing on long-tail, mainly buyer kws, which in turn I would point to resources focused on more popular kws. This approach does work in the long run and gives you long term passive income, but it's labor intensive and takes a lot of time ( 6 months to a year )

    2- Working from within, finding ways to either automatize or multiply your link building efforts and focusing on link and content quality, as well as online relationships.

    Can't really get much into this here, but there are many of these portals that will gladly open up their doors to "expert" authors - much easier than it sounds, trust me on this one -. You can use these spots both for virtual RE and to build powerful links and relationships, which in turn will multiply your efforts on web 2.0 sites, for example.

    Jut study what's going on with the first 20-30 spots in google for a few of your main KWs and try to find the back door.

    PS:Nice to see a fellow South American here. The best of luck to you.
     
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  18. youngguy

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    most competitive keywords are long tails, not the short one oganic ;)
     
  19. zai21

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    I'm going to explain to you WHY the hard keywords "phone, shoes, cars, etc" is not a good choice compared to "really cheap phones, discounted shoes, low car quotes, etc".

    The reason is
    * It will take you like someone has said here almost 6 months - 1 year to rank for a term like "Shoes, Glasses, Cars" (note I am already ranked for some of these keywords because I'm amazing lol). And this is only if you know WHAT YOU'RE DOING!

    * You can rank for 10!!! long tail keywords that has a better conversion rate than those other terms and will take you HALF the time.

    Listen to what me and most users are saying here, in the end once you rank for these long tail keywords you will slowly without knowing rank for the REALLY amazing keywords. (than you will see that the only thing the 1-2 phrase kws do is eat up bandwidth).
     
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