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Any real google penguin recovery service here on BHW?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by vishal2890, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. vishal2890

    vishal2890 Power Member

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    I am having one client from AU and recently penguin hammered his website. I want someone to take the charge and help me with the website.

    Please reply here only if you can do this. Only reputed members of BHW are invited.
     
  2. gorang

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    It doesn't seem to be that simple. You're talking 6-18months of wiped out rankings

    However most SEOs including myself int he past have mistaken Penguin for Panda. Most of the time Panda is the problem and to be honest you're best starting a fresh domain while you wait as there are no short terms fixes.

    Take note of user metrics. I believe bounce rates and user engagement on pages as well as high proportions of pages which users never use cause Panda.
     
  3. Smeems

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    Are you serious?
    On-page analytics play no part in any Google algorithm; ranking, penalty or otherwise. Done. Nada. Finito.

    OP, I've recovered sites from Penguin but what you have to remember is that you'll only see a recovery once the algorithm refreshes, as its an algorithmic penalty. This was fine between April-October last year as we saw 3 refreshes. However, the last refresh took over 7 months to come around - after which we saw more recoveries for sites. But do you really want to wait that long?

    I believe we'll see more frequent Penguin updates from here on in as Google ramps up the algorithm's strength - but it could yet be months. You may be better off dumping the domain and moving on. If not, drop me a PM.
     
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  4. saifkhatri

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    Tbh the easiest thing would be to start a fresh domain it would save you the hassle

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  5. gorang

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    I'm very serious. I firmly believe Google is tracking user metrics and bounce rates have a more prominent affect than previously. Click Through Rates and Bounce Rates may even play a part in Panda. Panda is already known to penalise sites which have many useless pages. On-page SEO and user metrics have never been so important. Site speed, boiler plate text, all of these are now taken into account and you can see this with the increase in penalised sites.

    Also, Google admitted that Penguin is run a little bit less often than weekly(their words.), they just haven't been announcing it.
     
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    How large is the site OP,this is quite an important factor because as others have said it's not always easy to know what has actually hit your site.Recovery is hard work and you have to be honest enough to your client to point out there are no guarantees.

    What sort of backlinking has been carried out to date and what is the content like?
     
  7. vishal2890

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    Well, we are having around 7000 indexed pages in google and domain age is around 6 years [according to seoquake]

    in Jan 2013 we had 5900+ people to our site..
    in May 2013 we had 4073...


    That represents a 30% decrease in traffic...
     
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    naskootbg Power Member

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    If the visitors comes from google this isn't penalty! The reasons for this drops can be 10s, but not penalty! Check the trend month by month - possibly the main keywords have more searches in Jan (e.g. the new year is time for bigger holiday, which comes with more time for surfing the net and shopping). The reason can be stronger competition. The reason can be lost backlinks.

    Of course the on-page SEO is the most important part today!
     
  9. Bloghat

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    Have a read here, should discourage you a bit to work on the penalized domain
    I have to care for a site like this, and it's no fun... owner can't let go domain. Traffic dropped <50%, rankings are unstable and you can see a long and steady decline. You would probably have to change the whole structure of the shop, but this is not manageable due to the amount of stuff.
    http://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/google-panda/
     
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    do huge anchor diversity and do FB, +1, tweets. and forget. in some updates ur site will be out from penalty.

    after above, do fresh site. :)
     
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    The OP say that penguin hit the site. Also sites with penalty lose over 90% of the organic traffic today and I am sure this is not penalty! Can you share the chart for Feb, March and April?
     
  12. Smeems

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    You really need to supply sources or evidence for these claims, as their way off. Think how easy it would be to manipulate GA factors if this was true. Would also love a source on that Penguin claim (zero evidence of it anywhere).

    I, on the other hand, will provide a source that GA metrics don't count towards spam or rankings:

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    I realise we don't take everything Cutts says as true, but a much better starting point than theories with zero evidence to back them up.
     
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    Panda exists as an on-page algorithm which analyses several parts of a sites pages. We already know this so this answers your question about on page metrics. An ex Google employee was quoted as saying that anything Google Chrome can track, it does. Every single thing you do in Chrome is tracked. But even so, for exit rate all Google needs to know is if a Google searcher returns from your site to Google search within a few seconds and clicks another result to effectively track bounces. So GA is not required to track this particular user metric.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QH-TOcQU8w&t=49m17s John Mueller from Google states that bounce rate is not algorithmic that he knows of, but they record and use the data to see "if this is something the user wants to see in the search results". He specifically states that it is not a signal they can use to make a judgement of a site, but it is recorded and used. He also specifically states that it is not a negative signal, but he does not state that it is not used in determining quality of the page.

    Now it is up to you to decide if you believe him or not as we know Google often says one thing and the truth is another matter. However, I think there is enough interesting data on Google's current policies with Panda(how detailed the page analysis is) to make a strong connection that Google may use bounce rate as part of the Panda algorithm to make decision on a sites quality.

    You can bet your left bollock that Google will use this data in Panda to make ultimate decisions on the quality of your site especially as Panda is so focussed on these aspects.

    So the point here is to differentiate between user metrics being a ranking factor and user metrics being used when compiling data on a site for Panda.
     
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    That's a massive jump from tracking the data and using it in the algorithm. The two do not match up. Google can record adwords spend and display network spend - does it mean they use that information for organic ranking? No.

    I really don't know how you get from John Mueller saying that bounce rate/GA is not algorithmic to thinking "oh, it is algorithmic then". What is this I don't even


    What part of that video backs up that conclusion?
     
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    John stated "dwell-time"(similar to bounce rate) is not used in the algorithm(that he kows of). But it is used in other ways(as i stated in the other post). The fact that they use it to affect results at all simply means that the data is used.

    Did you watch the video? It should start at around 58mins.
     
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    But how does that become "data is used in any ranking algorithm?" - especially after he explicitly says it isn't present in any.

    Google uses data for means other than ranking algorithms you know.
     
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    I don't think you've read properly.

    From my post: "John Mueller from Google states that bounce rate is not algorithmic that he knows of, but they record and use the data to see "if this is something the user wants to see in the search results". He specifically states that it is not a signal they can use to make a judgement of a site, but it is recorded and used."

    Yes I know, thanks.
     
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    I'm willing to take a look at it. I think I may have some answers. Most is hypothetical. Some of them work. I have not had enough time measure it yet, since it hit us 16 days ago.
     
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    My site was hit hard on Oct. 4th the most recent penguin 2.1, and I didn't do anything SEO-wise, but create more content.

    After a week, the overly optimized keywords (that I wanted to rank for) are still not ranking, and are heavily penalized, but all of my other organic keywords have risen again, and my traffic came back.

    The only difference is that the keywords I was trying to spam rank for -- aren't ranking.