Any questions about optimization? Fire away! (and my own results)

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This thread is more towards people that also enjoy webdesign and are also somewhat too focused on optimization like me :D

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When I picked up webdesign again a few years ago I've had a real OCD time when it came to website performance and optimization.

It got to a point I just had to accept that 100/100 or A100 or whatever maxed out score is simply impossible once you're building your site and adding content.

If you are in WP/Dev FB groups or on certain forums you probably read some people always bashing WP pagebuilders. They either suck or they're slow, don't work well etc

I'm finally finishing up my agency site and was doing some testing to check out any flaws or errors and I was quite happy with the results and just wanted to see how it would perform vs some very big competitors with multi-million budgets.

I'm assuming, even though 2 out of 3 I compared with also use WP, it's all custom coding.

So the first test I did was through GTmetrix and from left to right:

Me, the biggest agency in my country, one of the biggest in the world if not the biggest publicissapient (former razorfish) and also top 5 worldwide WebFx.

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That 16mb is because they have a video on the frontpage.

Anyway, even though my full load time on here is not the fastest as I'm still testing some plugin settings and I run a bunch my overall performance is better. Having said that, just run it again to check something else and the full load time was now 2.4, got love serverload :D

Next was checking it on pingdom and compared it with the fastest from above from the closest server to them and the closest one to me and this were the results:

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Now it's fair to say I'm faster due to way less requests but on GTMetrix it only influence certain metrics and as you could see they have quite some flaws. But webFx is a beast really but they a annual revenue of $53 million or so.

That being said, I still feel somewhat proud that with limited resources, hosting my own shit and have overcome many obstacles setting it all up I still do a descent job.

I also compared with a bunch of local competitors but they pretty much 9 out of 10 all suck!

So if you have any questions about optimization, feel free to ask and I'll try to help out ;)

BTW, this is my current setup.

Self-configured cloud ($5 a month)
Astra Pro
Elementor Pro
Ultimate Addons
Free cloudflare but not using their minification.

Besides those I currently have a total of 19 plugins running on the frontpage.

Questions? Ask away :)

Peace.
 
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I wanted to pick the brain .
why are video , manly youtube , priorities in ranking then websites?
 

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Are you using any minify and/or cache plugin?
If yes, which one?

Also which host do suggest?
 

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I wanted to pick the brain .
why are video , manly youtube , priorities in ranking then websites?
Not a question about Website optimization but as YouTube and Google are 1 that probably has to do with it a LOT IMO purely for total domination plus videos are getting more and more favored than reading text.

Then again it really depends what you are googling not everything gives video results but following a guide through a video is just becoming (if it isn't already) the most used.


Are you using any minify and/or cache plugin?
If yes, which one?

Also which host do suggest?
Actually I use 3, WP fastest cache, Autoptimize and Litespeed cache for criticall CSS.

I host all my own sites on a vultr cloud but it needs a bunch of configuring at the beginning, for clients I use a local hosting resale package.
 

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Actually I use 3, WP fastest cache, Autoptimize and Litespeed cache for criticall CSS.

I host all my own sites on a vultr cloud but it needs a bunch of configuring at the beginning, for clients I use a local hosting resale package.
Thanks. I am currently using fastest cache and automptimize. I was wondering if something like wprocket is better.
Are you using the paid version of FastestCache?
 

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Thanks. I am currently using fastest cache and automptimize. I was wondering if something like wprocket is better.
Are you using the paid version of FastestCache?
WP rocket is really good most of the times and I'm going to buy the agency subscription soon but in my case this setup worked better for my site and as you can see it performs quite good.

I'm using the free version of WP fastest cache.
 
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I am going to have an image-heavy site when its all done. Should I go ahead and start hosting all the images in my S3 bucket.
With my videos what do you think about hosting a teaser video maybe 3 minutes on youtube and have the viewer go to the site to watch the full self-hosted videos?
 

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I am going to have an image-heavy site when its all done. Should I go ahead and start hosting all the images in my S3 bucket.
With my videos what do you think about hosting a teaser video maybe 3 minutes on youtube and have the viewer go to the site to watch the full self-hosted videos?
Hmmm hard to say for me as I never dealt with hundreds or thousands of images.

For me personally I don't like hosting it on an external server simply because it could affect loading times or have connection issues.

Most common practice is loading your images from a subdomain and let a CDN take care of the work.

About the video question. I think it's a great method to get people to your site however I wouldn't host that video on the server if it's getting loads of traffic as it will cost you bandwidth. I

you don't get a lot of traffic at the start you're fine though if it gets massive traffic I would also host the full video on YouTube but serve it through one of these players that hide it's coming from YT :D
 

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WP rocket is really good most of the times and I'm going to buy the agency subscription soon but in my case this setup worked better for my site and as you can see it performs quite good.

I'm using the free version of WP fastest cache.

Could you elaborate more on why WP rocket is really good? I tried both WP rocket (paid version) and WP fastest cache (free version) and results from GTMetrix were better on the second one. I guess WP rocket is way easier to setup..
 

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How do you self configure cloud?

On another thread a guy said adsense slowed his site down. Have you notice any ad networks slowing your site down? If so which ones?

Best host for non tech people

Btw you always have great stuff and you have very inspiring story
 
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Could you elaborate more on why WP rocket is really good? I tried both WP rocket (paid version) and WP fastest cache (free version) and results from GTMetrix were better on the second one. I guess WP rocket is way easier to setup..
I can't really say anything about the technical aspect but often when I tested with GTmetrix, WP rocket gave instant improvement. But my own site is a bit more complicated and after several test I got better results with the 3 cache plugins I mentioned.

But for the majority of client sites WProcket is going to be my choice because in my experience they outperform any other plugin if the sites is not too complicated.

How do you self configure cloud?

On another thread a guy said adsense slowed his site down. Have you notice any ad networks slowing your site down? If so which ones?

Best host for non tech people

Btw you always have great stuff and you very inspiring story
Through a lot of frustration and testing :D

If you inject ads it could show less performance in tools like GTmetrix but that doesn't mean your site will be slow, I never had that issue.

If you got the money I would go with something like cloudways, it's managed cloud hosting.

If you have less money I would go with something like siteground or A10.

Thanks for the compliment, nice to read I still inspire some people.
 

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Most common practice is loading your images from a subdomain and let a CDN take care of the work.
Interesting thanks!
So is there a CDN Plugin to grab images from the sub-domain or can I just setup up my cache plugin to do it.
Or just use URL.
Thanks again, I’m going to start using that combination of cache plugins.
 

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Do you believe Astra is the best theme out there in terms of Speed/Customization?

What are your thoughts on Divi? I personally hate it
 

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Interesting thanks!
So is there a CDN Plugin to grab images from the sub-domain or can I just setup up my cache plugin to do it.
Or just use URL.
Thanks again, I’m going to start using that combination of cache plugins.
I explained it wrong, you point a subdomain to your root/site/wp-content but this only works fine for me as I'm not using hundreds of image plus as I'm testing some things,in your case it would be better to go with S3 in combination with cloudflare.

About my combo caching, you probably still have to test settings and check with GTmetrix because my site and content and other plugins are different from yours.

Do you believe Astra is the best theme out there in terms of Speed/Customization?

What are your thoughts on Divi? I personally hate it
I could only say that if I tested all the other popular ones But the once I worked with so far I like astra the most but it also depends on hosting, plugins, resources, memory, caching etc etc.

DiVi fucking sucks! ;)
 

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Beast will be lemp stack with nginx, redis cache, etc. Reverse proxies can be chained as well. Varnish was good as well with hhvm which facebook owns, but now php7 + nignx will do the job for the normal sites.
 

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Beast will be lemp stack with nginx, redis cache, etc. Reverse proxies can be chained as well. Varnish was good as well with hhvm which facebook owns, but now php7 + nignx will do the job for the normal sites.
Lol yeah but I'm a marketer, SEO consultant and Webdesigner already, I'm happy how far I got so far. Currently PHP 7.3x, Apache with Nginx caching, I was running it on Litespeed but ran into some issues.
 

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I explained it wrong, you point a subdomain to your root/site/wp-content but this only works fine for me as I'm not using hundreds of image plus as I'm testing some things,in your case it would be better to go with S3 in combination with cloudflare.

About my combo caching, you probably still have to test settings and check with GTmetrix because my site and content and other plugins are different from yours.


I could only say that if I tested all the other popular ones But the once I worked with so far I like astra the most but it also depends on hosting, plugins, resources, memory, caching etc etc.

DiVi fucking sucks! ;)
Hahahaha ¡Thank you! Love your answer, is just what I wanted to hear.

Will go with Astra plus Elementor

Even though I have an honrable mention to Salient theme in terms of features and all.
 

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Hahahaha ¡Thank you! Love your answer, is just what I wanted to hear.

Will go with Astra plus Elementor

Even though I have an honorable mention to Salient theme in terms of features and all.
I tried the new Hello theme from Elementor and it's nice for other projects but I like Astra pro best with Elementor pro. I often only use Astra as frame but a lot of times I use their header because of the mega menu futures combined with Elementor sections is the bomb but the new Astra 2.0 is very nice without Elementor also as it has plenty of customization of their own.
 

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Is there any decent tutorial which would help a noob like me to set up vultr cloud for myself?

Also do you ever use amp?

What is your google page speed insights on astra?
 

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Is there any decent tutorial which would help a noob like me to set up vultr cloud for myself?

Also do you ever use amp?

What is your google page speed insights on astra?
There are some guides out there, none I found really detailed from a newbie perspective, I might write something about it in the future.

I got AMP turned on in cloudflare.

I really don't use pagespeed a lot because if you have a descent size site it's almost impossible to score in the greens on mobile unless you have a very basic page.

On my agency site I score 77 on mobile and 97 on Desktop. But I could a Json script running in the header so that's why but when again most sites score way worse on pagespeed than me.

WebFx score 55 on mobile and 96 on desktop

The biggest agency in my country scores 18 on mobile and 54 on desktop so on PageSpeed I'm not doing bad :)
 
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