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Any night owls??

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by beingink, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. beingink

    beingink Senior Member

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    For some reason no matter how many times I correct my schedule within a week my schedule will be back to sleeping during the day. Any other members here with this problem?
     
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  2. BreaknBrix

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    Yeh. I was a night owl for many many years. And still am just not as severe. It was a very serious problem and I tried many things to fix it without success.

    At one point I was going to bed at 8-10am and waking around 5pm. That's how fucked up it got.

    What fixed it for me was an organic change. I was sick of seeing 3 hours of sunlight a day. Was sick of not being able to do shit in the morning. I tried sleeping pills, valium, turning off lighters earlier, making lots of small little changes that didn't do much of shit.

    Eventually all that anger and frustration, although it took years it just exploded. So if I was still up after 10am I started punishing myself by not going to bed at all. And keep in mind this way something I tried years ago that never helped. I'd literally stay up for 2 days then would STILL go to bed 9-10am.

    What changed the game for me is when you get so sick and tired and want it to change bad enough your brain & body will find a way to make it change.

    So I punished myself the first time and rebounded right back to late hours.
    Then it happened again a few days later. So I said fuck it and stayed up again.

    This was within a 6 day time frame so I was awake 4/6 of those days.

    And the 2nd time I did it I managed to go to bed at 8:30am.

    Then I tried to keep it there. Slipped back behind 9am.... punished myself again.

    After that 3rd time I don't know what happened. I just went to bed at 5am and actually feel asleep. So in the course of 8-9 days or so I managed to jump my sleep back 4 hours.

    After doing that I was seeing more sun. So I was working out more than before. Running more. Spending more time outside. I made damn sure to stop eating ANYTHING within 4 hours of going to bed. That was a big issue I had was late night snacks fucking up my sleep and I had to cut that shit out.

    Then all I did was challenge myself to keep my sleep at that time frame for 2 weeks.

    I became so hyperfocused on 5am. No matter what I was doing or wanted to do when 4:30am came around I started shutting everything down. So I knew I'd be ready to jump in bed right at 5 no matter what excuse.

    After doing that I realized it was all 1 serious head game. It's true that your circadian rhythm gets fucked up. So if you sleep late for many years you can be tired as fuck, get tired around 9pm, go lay down and your brain doesn't shut off. So I'd lay in bed around 9pm for an hour or 2 and not fall asleep. Would get back up then get a bolt of energy that took me through the night.

    But interestingly enough your circadian rhythm WILL CHANGE if you give it NO CHOICE but to change. Like I said, by the 3rd time I pulled an all nighter... it's like my circadian rhythm short circuited. Cause normally I still wouldn't be tired at 6am even after pulling an all nighter. My body would simply conserve energy by making me tired at an hour it knew I wouldn't go to bed, so I'd take "awake naps" where you just lied down with your eyes closed but don't sleep. Then after those "naps" I'd cycle back into being fully awake and alert.

    It's really hard to describe unless you suffer from it.

    All I know is if you wanna hack your sleep you have to....

    1) Be completely sick and fucking tired to the extent you're willing to do anything.
    2) Punish yourself. On days you go to bed later than you're already late bed time, don't go to bed at all.
    3) Keep doing this no matter what. Your body will adjust and dive into normal sleep cycles at an earlier time it just takes persistence.

    All in all I was pretty shocked how easy it was to. Cause I'm a really disciplined person in most other aspects of my life. But with sleep I just never cared. If I didn't feel tired why go to bed? Now it's completely different. What psychologists refer to as "good sleep hygiene" that's what I have now. And even though discipline played a huge role what played the biggest role was my ability to just recognized how much better life is when you're waking up at normal hours. And ftr, I'm still not at "normal" hours. I still go to bed around 2am and sleep till 9-10am. Some nights I go to bed earlier. But no matter what when 2am comes around I'm in bed.
     
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  3. Reaver

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    Yeah but mine comes from a chemical imbalance. I take antidepressants and they make me super hyper. I have to literally drain myself in order to go to bed, because if I try to just shut everything off and close my eyes, my mind continues racing for hours at a time. I wind up turning on the TV/comp to occupy myself.

    My doctor gave me meds to put me to sleep but I don't want to be dependent on drugs to go to sleep.

    I normally go to bed somewhere between 1am and 3am. I will sleep until 5am. Then I'll get up and putter around until 1pm. Sleep until 3 or 4pm. Get up, do stuff. Lather rinse, repeat.

    About once a month my body gets tired of having messed up sleeping hours. So I'll shut down and sleep for like 18 hours. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    My sister gets total insomnia during spring and summer. She has to take drugs to go to sleep or she will be up for 2 or 3 days straight. She starts acting crazy and hallucinating.

    I guess I shouldn't bitch. I'd rather get a little bit of sleep than no sleep at all.
     
  4. beingink

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    Yup my current situation is going to sleep at 9am and waking up at 4.30pm, my fuck up is everyweek it moves by an hour or two and eventually I am sleeping in night but then after a week its back to morning.

    I didn't get you exactly, so you are saying I should goto sleep at 5am and force myself if I don't fall asleep at that time right?
     
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    On average, I skip one day/night of sleep per month - sometimes two or three, sometimes none.
    It just happens because I go to sleep later and later, when I hit 6 AM to go to sleep, I try to stay up as long as possible to overcome one sleep-cycle to get up early again.
     
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    Earlier when had night shift job either I liked it or not I had to stay awake so when shifted to day shift job it was difficult for first few months to stay awake in day and fall asleep in night...so on Fridays I will stay awake in night in day I will start drinking sleep by night directly lol thats how changed my habit...