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Any New Account - Auto CC Decline

Discussion in 'Adwords' started by macker123, Aug 16, 2009.

  1. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    Hey Guys,

    I am looking for some advanced help.

    I am trying to setup multiple standalone accounts and have run into a roadblock that I am sure someone here can help with.

    The problem is any new account I open up immediately has it's cc auto declined. I know this is normal etc etc if Google ties you into past accounts or you are a security risk, but I cant tell how they are finding out.

    Here is what I am doing:
    - new remote server (unique IP, datacenter etc).
    - new non free email address something like bobby AT clickhappy.info (unique IP)
    - working mastercard (real name, fake address, real phone)
    - picking random display url to submit (dont want to give real yet or I lose all my work if declined.)

    Once I get to the payment page I fill in details and BAM instant auto decline. I am 100% sure they are not declining because of cc details. CC works fine on MSN and Adwords has randomly accepted other cc's before for no reason. These are no prepaid/virtual cards. They are legit through bank. It is so instant though it is like I triggered a flag elsewhere when setting up the account. There is no way they are looking up the cc and/or address/phone that quick, plus they dont run AVS. The name I give Adwords matches what is registered with cc company. Of course, not my real name ;) Phone number also rings, but is unique. Address is a real address, but not on the card.

    I am totally lost. Works fine on MSN and everything seems like it could not be traced or flagged as a security risk.

    A few ideas I have why:
    - corporate IP from server (they have accepted accounts before for me doing this though).
    - email address (registered through same registrar but all private whois. Next test is .com with unique registrar/account)
    - email domain is too new? (registered on the same day)

    My feeling is it is email related.
    I am registering new domain that day. Setting up email through remote desktop server. Google sends email confirmation and clicking link from server and then I continue account setup process.

    Anybody have any ideas what is tracking back or labeling me as a security risk?
     
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  2. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    It is a post-pay account.

    The name I give matches what is on file with cc company. The address I give is a real address but is not on file with cc. I have been told by numerous people and experienced myself that the address is not checked. It doesnt matter what address you put in for the cc. Same with MSN, Facebook, etc etc.

    I use a new unique remote server in a new datacenter each time so this gives me a unique IP, unique computer hardware etc. So there is no past proof of cookies, etc. Adwords editor is not installed on this computer yet, nor are toolbars etc, but I do use Firefox(fresh install) to create the accounts. Can't see how this matters as it is a unique computer/IP anyways.

    Thanks
     
  3. justdude

    justdude Regular Member

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    if you once used this card numbers are in black list it not works anymore. Did you clean cookies, get new ip when you are setting this account? domain name date doesnt' matter I'm using new domains registered 3 minutes before :)
     
  4. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    I am using unqiue cc's each time. Totally different and not traced back.

    I am using a new remote server each time so yes new IP, cookies etc. It is not tracking back.

    I just had a success today when I registered email domain through a new registrar. Either I got lucky or they can tell I had all my domains in the same account even though whois protection was on. Each domain had unqiue IP so it wasnt that.

    Had to be the account itself.

    Trying another test tomorrow.

    P.S. Are you or anyone aware if .info vs .com makes any difference? For email domain? I know when I tried free email I got instant review and suspended everytime, but probably because I already triggered some flags elsewhere and the points added up.
     
  5. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    Totally random IP's. In fact even random datacenters. I know Google gives you a flag if they recognize it as a corporate(datacenter) IP, but that typically isn't enough for them to auto decline a card. It seems u need to trip more than one flag.

    Had success a few times in a row now, but using unique domain registrars so that might have solved it.

    Accounts all go under immediate review though. Hopefully they come off ok.
     
  6. madskillzzzzzbeotch

    madskillzzzzzbeotch Newbie

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    Glad to know I am not the only person being driven crazy by this. I am basically doing all the things you are doing and no dice. I tried vps's and someone told me that they can tell when it is a vps so i'm going to try a friends house or clearing all cookies/everything off my computer and going through the whole routine on my own computer rather than vps.
     
  7. yoaussie2

    yoaussie2 Registered Member

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    here's what I do, create a new account, do not add any campaigns, go straight to the billing section, add the credit card details and then if it declines, I write to Adwords asking them to please look at why my credit card is not being accepted. Seems to work.
     
  8. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    That seems to work well, if I get an auto decline without a VPS, but the VPS seems to be the killing factor and I get a terms & conditions broke email. Weird thing is VPS do work though, when I got a valid cc with a valid address on file.

    I am thinking Adwords has certain flags and everytime you trigger one it adds up and once a certain number get triggered you get the Terms & Conditions email and your account suspended, hence why VPS works sometime and not others.
     
  9. affiliate_onlinebiz

    affiliate_onlinebiz Junior Member

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    It's because you're using the same pc. Each pc has a certain mac address and adwords can see it. So you need to open the new account using a different computer.
     
  10. macker123

    macker123 Newbie

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    Nope, not for my stuff. Using unique VPS installs on unique servers. Only problem I see is these are datacenter IP's.
     
  11. proscale

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    Just shooting in the dark here but there's a chance that google's tracking it as a VCC or has associated that particular banks issued VCC's with multiple post pay accs that don't come through.
     
  12. macker123

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    VERY possible, already crossed my mind. Works fine with residential IP's though, just harder to get.

    What I am thinking is Adwords has certain flags, perhaps certain VCC's, corporate IP, free email address, country, etc and everytime you trigger one of those you get a point assigned. If you trigger enough points then BAM account suspended, hence why some stuff works sometimes and not other times.
     
  13. orlandoseo

    orlandoseo Newbie

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    this is driving me crazy as well. I feel as though I should chime in. Don't know if anyone is falling short on making sure to clear their flash cookies (super cookies) that killed me for a little. With the data center IP's. Are you guys saying that if I proxy through virtual server on Godaddy it will be flagged as a Data Center IP?

    What I am trying to go with now is a Simon Mall Visa Gift Card, bought in store and regisitered online, new domain (non proxy who is info I just used different name and address that matches the info I register the credit card with which is also bogus.) Completely clear everything on the computer, change the name of the user and the workgroup of my computer. I got an account live yesterday and got some impressions and clicks. I was test on a random domain. Since it worked I tried promoting a new domain and bam, account under review. Someone please help me on this. I would like to be able to get set up without have to buy a new computer and driving to panera. I have multiple clients and need a more realistic solution.
     
  14. macker123

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    Well basically all accounts go under review so that is normal. Do you come off the review ?
     
  15. orlandoseo

    orlandoseo Newbie

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    no, they dont. They get stuck on review for extended periods, and then when I try contacting google and playing stupid (from that email and ip address of course.) They just never unblock it. How long do you usually have to wait for a review to occur.
     
  16. macker123

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    Well I typically trigger the review almost immediately once the new account is created. If I dont email them it can take MUCH longer to get off review. If I email typically a few business days.