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Any idea of what charges I might face?

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  1. lykathe

    lykathe Regular Member

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    Edit; i meant punishment for charges, lol.

    So I have some ollld ass charges, like 3-4 years old. One is for assault, and will get thrown out when it gets to court, another for driving on a suspended license.
    I skipped court for them both about 2 years ago, and I got popped last night for it, spent a few hours in jail, etc.

    So I'm expecting to face the original charges, plus failure to appear. What's the worst/average that can happen with that? I'm not trying to go to jail, especially when I'm so close to cementing my business.
     
  2. bertbaby

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    Really, talk to a lawyer not to BHW members. It's money well spent!
     
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    Take a gap year, go to Jail, chill out for a bit, sort your head out, meet new friends.
     
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  4. lykathe

    lykathe Regular Member

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    No money for it at all, or I would!
     
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    There's got to be some local free legal services. Have you looked? Don't go to court unprepared or you just become more meat for the system.
     
  6. bigballin6161

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    Can you do IM from jail? I think your allowed time on the computer?
     
  7. eBayMafia

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    I wouldnt worry too much about driving without a license, you will likely get a fine for that. For the assault charge, I wouldn't expect it to just get thrown out of a jail especially since you've pretty much admitted guilt to it by not showing up the first time. For assault, it could be a week, it could be 3 months.
     
  8. cybersage

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    Get a Public Defender, but as an attorney I can tell you that your outcome is dependent on tons of factors, so consulting a criminal defense lawyer may be beneficial. For people with relatively tame backgrounds (no priors), a plea deal is often worked out so that the person ends up doing community service or the like. Like I said it depends on many factors (like whether your state has minimum sentencing guidelines for example), but a PD might be useful for you as would calling some criminal defense attorneys who offer a free consultation.
     
  9. Jonny Quick

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    There's no guarantee on the assault. They might throw it out, they might not. If you think you are going to do IM in jail, you obviously don't know anything else pertaining to legal matters either.

    Based on my similar criminal experiences, they don't worry about non-violent crimes for jail. They'll want money, and lots of it. You might lose your license for a while. You need an attorney if you want the best deal you can get, because the prosecutor has no interest in doing you any favors. They are your enemy, and one does not go to the enemy and expect to get any favors. Attorneys also cost money. You can claim to be indigent, and get a defense attorney assigned, maybe, and maybe they can do a better job for you than what you can do for yourself. Maybe.

    Your worst-case scenario is that they use the existence of the assault charges as leverage on you for the traffic stuff. "We'll dismiss the assault charges if you plead guilt to (everything else)."

    What I would try to do is ask for a speedy trial on the assault, assume the witness(es) won't show up, get that dismissed and then from that point negotiate something with the traffic charges. You've already posted bail or bond. Some places will let you forfeit bail as a fine, and you are guilty on all counts. Don't do that, because your primary concern should be your driving privileges, not your money. You need to be able to drive in order to earn money. I should mention, if you are bonded out, you better get to your court appointments 1 hour early. If your Bond company drops you, you lose the money you gave them, and other bad things can happen. Also be ready for the Clerk to screw up your court date, so that they expect you on Monday, and your papers say Friday. You'll sit in jail while they sort things out, and they aren't doing you any favors, remember? Didn't I mention they are the enemy?

    But other people are right. I would guess if you threw down $500 at an attorney, he could get you a reasonably good deal. If the assault thing goes to trial, you are looking at another $2,000. But, I get the general impression this is on the order of "young people drinking beer in a dirt parking lot on a Friday night" type of thing, and generally people involved in stupid crap like that aren't the most reliable people to show up to be a witness in a trial. But, FWIW, that's what I think the critical factor is, whether or not any witnesses will show up. If no, you are good. If yes, you better start thinking about making a deal.
     
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  10. oxonbeef

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    What do you think?
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    The worst thing you did was fail to appear.
    The law doesn't like you "cocking a snook" at them.
     
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    Trust me and LAWYER UP... You get what you pay for!

    Another thing... not showing is a big no no and will only make things 10 times worse ;)

    Good Luck Mate!
     
  12. lykathe

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    Well, I know the assault is invalid because I didn't do it, and both the witnesses(people she wrote in the police report) are going to say I didn't(which I didn't, the report is completely false).

    The witnesses are going to show up for sure, I'm old friends with them both.

    The charges are in 2 seperate cities, so.

    This shit just has me tripped out, not interested in going to jail(didn't assault anyone, seriously drove... 10 ft without a license and got fucked for it), and I have no money for a lawyer right now, so if it's in my best interest I might just skip again until I have the cash, because my financial situation can't handle me being in jail at all.

    The driving doesn't phase me, it's the old failure to appears that IDK about
     
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  13. ExecutiveCloser

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    To be honest, if you don't have money now, what is the difference later? Do you expect to make money all of the sudden? Maybe you might just want to bite the bullet on this one and serve the lesser time now (OR FIGHT IT). If you plan to walk away now in hopes of making money and coming back to beat it do you think this will really happen? What are the chances you won't? Are you taking an educated guess or just running from your problem? I have a feeling is what you normally do.

    I have done it also, but I move states and then after a certain time period they DO drop the cases(idk about assault though, mine was for driving offenses).

    Just make sure you are taking a calculated risk instead of just saying "oh ill just make money to cover it up"
     
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    The real issue is failing to appear. I have never heard of anyone NOT doing jail time for that.
     
  15. lykathe

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    Yeah, I do. I have a really comprehensive offline system that I'm putting into place in the next couple weeks, some amazing new ideas to get clients, the SEO expertise, etc. Basically money will be a nonissue very soon, but right now it very much is, and court is next Monday.

    Decisions, decisions.
     
  16. Jonny Quick

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    Avoiding these charges is the worst thing you can do. You can make a plea arrangement, agree to pay a fine, ask for some time to pay and let that drag out for as long as possible.

    Or, you can "skip town", feel like you are OK for a while, then one day some Municipal Officer notices you have a tail light out, pulls you over, runs wants & warrants, you are back in jail only this time they don't let you out until all the cases are resolved.

    You know how they say it's a good thing that criminals are stupid? I guess my point is, whose ever advice you take, make sure it's not yours, after all look at how good of a job you have done so far. I see too much of myself in your story, and frankly I was a complete dumbass that needed someone else to tell me what to do because I was too stupid to make decisions for myself. I'll let you figure that one out, and I meant it.
     
  17. Randy569

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    You get a second Failure to Appear, and you most definitely WILL go to jail.

    Go to the court appearance, tell the judge that you have not consulted an attorney because you can not afford one, and they will, most likely, give you a continuance and a public defender.
     
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    You should think yourself lucky that you are out with a "fail to appear" over your head.
    You will never move forward in life unless you deal with the past.
    No matter what plans you have you will never complete them until you have dealt with
    your issue.
    Man up to it, get it out the way and move on.
    What you going to do, get rich, want to fly abroad and then think " I'll go and turn myself
    in now"? No you are not. Your going to spend your life ducking and diving, never achieving
    anything in case you get caught.
    Wipe the slate clean.
     
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  19. SmokeScreen

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    I can say it is quite easy for you not to do jail time for that. If you get a lawyer they will just quash the bench warrant when you show up.
     
  20. bigeazy

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    #1 to #9 on your fav SE
    If this is your comprehensive system then you are in big trouble:

    HTML:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/offline-marketing/344128-so-im-cold-calling-my-ass-off-week-watch-me-create-business.html
    I only say this only because sales is 90% of my business and reading that thread just raises too many red flags.