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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dragonlube, Feb 5, 2011.

  1. dragonlube

    dragonlube Regular Member

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    Hello,

    I am about to launch 5 new sites using very similar keywords for each site.
    I wanted to know how to make sure I would be protected from Google:
    Can someone please list a few of the most important measures to take such as: back links/day , Proxies, do I need 5 different VPSs.

    thanks
     
  2. Autumn

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    You need to ask more specific questions.

    I would put them all on different IPs and preferably different hosting accounts, you don't necessarily need a VPS, $5 virtual accounts will do for a new low traffic site.

    Don't interlink them.

    Make sure you have a different backlink profile for each site.

    Avoid other footprints that will make the sites seem similar, use different templates, different link structures, different text metrics etc.

    Opinions are divided on speed of backlink acquisition, some people say just blast them, I prefer a more measured approach. IMHO getting a few high PR / trust / authority / social links to start with can make your domain more robust when you start blasting the lower quality links.
     
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  3. webmast

    webmast Regular Member

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    There is nothing wrong with interlinking 5 related sites even when they share the same IP address. It will have a positive impact on their rankings. Of course, for maximum SEO boost you should use SEO hosting. It's a decision you have to make based on your goals, budget, competition, etc. Do not blast your domains right away with low quality backlinks (blog comments & profile links). Make sure you have a lot of unique, quality content and build just a few quality backlinks from authority sites first. This way you have a better chance to avoid the sandbox / google dance or whatever they call it when your site ranks for no keywords. Some webmasters here claim they never got problems with blasting new sites but there are a lot of threads on BHW with sites that dissappeared from the face of Earth after spammy link building campaigns ;)
     
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  4. dragonlube

    dragonlube Regular Member

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    Basically I'm planning on having 5 websites on the same subject, the keywords will defer only in terms of the name of the city included. So I'm targeting 5 cities with 5 domains (1 per city) and 5 keywords (city's name + keyword). The main purpose of these sites will be to get people to email their info requiring more information about my service (nothing sold directly online). Autumn, you didn't understand my question completely but you answered it perfectly :) I understand hiding the footprint in regards to content and links, what I'm having a hard time structuring is the more technical part such as IPs, virtual accounts?, hosting, so that in no way Google would know I am the owner of all 5 sites.

    Now I dont mean this to be a noob question, I have been reading 100s of thread over the last month but still struggling with putting the pieces together when it comes to really making sure my behind is covered from Google.

    one sidenote question: If all 5 are built using word press, does that pose an issue as far as footprints.
     
  5. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

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    The point of not interlinking them is to avoid detection. IMHO you can get the same boost from just getting more backlinks without interlinking.

    I have lost count of the number of interlinked networks I've had which have done well for a while and then got the simultaneous banhammer. I built large independent sites now and the traffic flow is much more stable.
     
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  6. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

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    If you want to be sure, main things are:
    * different (fake) whois info on each site, from when you very first buy the domains so the domains don't share any common whois info in the whois history.
    * different hosting companies in different geological locations. You will automatically get a different IP for each site if you do this. You can use a small virtual hosting account or a VPS, but a VPS is more expensive and probably overkill for a new site.
    * you can pay extra to get a unique IP for each site or not, it doesn't really matter. A unique IP possibly gives you a little boost but if you are sharing an IP with a whole bunch of other sites on a virtual account then you can "hide" amongst the other sites. Both methods have their pros and cons.
    * you could host them all at the same host but I wouldn't recommend it. You might be OK or you might not... Even if you get different IPs at the same host, anyone can look up a hosts IP allocations in the ARIN database and see that your somewhat similar sites are hosted in the same place. Combine that with similar content and backlink strategies and you have a recipe for trouble... Better safe than sorry.

    Not if you use different themes, there are 8 trillion WP sites out there.

    Expect to fail multiple times at first until you get the results you want. Just keep on plugging away until you get a formula that works.
     
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  7. ExtraWinner

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    Buy cheap hosting for each website on 5 different hosting companies.

    That will do.

    Remember to not use same Adwords for all websites ;)
     
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  8. Nosence

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    Why does everything have to be separated? is this something that every site should have?

    Is it a bad thing to google if someone owns more then one website?
     
  9. Autumn

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    There's nothing wrong with a person owning more than one website, but we are doing it blackhat style to try and scoop up as much traffic as we can in one niche - something G doesn't want you to do. They don't want the serps dominated by one person or one person's network of sites.

    Separating the sites out makes it harder for them to identify them as part of the same network and thus devaluing / penalizing / banning the whole network of sites at once. Plan your spammy site networks like terrorist cells - ie. if one part gets nailed, you still have other stuff that can carry on as normal.

    If you are doing things whitehat then a different set of rules apply, but if you're crosslinking your own domains to try and give them a boost then the common thinking is that you will get more of a boost if the domains are hosted separately and appear to be completely independent sites.

    If you're doing blackhat link generation techniques then you don't want your sites to be easily traceable back to your real identity, too. Different and realistic looking but fake whois info on each domain, hidden with whois protection, is a good place to start.
     
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  10. dragonlube

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    no, unless your sites are all in the same niche.
     
  11. dragonlube

    dragonlube Regular Member

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    Autumn

    You mention using fake WHOIS,

    1) How important is it since I was thinking of using 5 of my older domains, 3-6 years old but they are all registered on my name.

    2) what about paying to have their whois set on private, would that do the job.

    thanks
     
  12. Autumn

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    I personally think having different whois is very important, especially if you're doing blackhat stuff with sites in the same niche. It's one of the easiest ways to identify that domains are all controlled by the same person. Having said that I wouldn't let that stop you from building out your sites, just do it and see what happens. If they work, you get some money, if they don't, you got an education.

    It's impossible to say whether G can see behind whois protection. I've heard people variously claim they can / can't see behind whois protection and I've never seen definite proof either way. Most registrars can only see whois info for the domains they administer. However G is the biggest internet company on the planet and it's somewhat likely that special rules apply to them, or they have some backdoor deals going on; so I work on the assumption they can see behind whois protection, just in case.

    The whois protection part of the method I'm recommending is to hide your fake whois info from other people (webmasters and people who might share the name / address you put on your fake whois info).

    You can theoretically have your domains taken for fake whois but I have never ever heard of this happening in real life. If you have whois protection there is no way other webmasters could ever know that your info is fake. Be aware of sites like domaintools that provide whois history with their paid membership.
     
  13. macdonjo3

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    Ah, don't over think it. Just launch them, let them age if you want, or go ahead and start blasting. You should have done 1 by one, but if they are ready to be launched, then by all means, get them live. Your sites are new, use Shared or Reseller hosting. If they get huge in 6-12 months, then consider a VPS, but considering the questions that you are asking now, you won't need it for 3-5 years until you understand how SEO works.

    Get some auto approve lists and start blasting away. Let them index manually, then 2 months later, you can go back and make sure they are all indexed.

    Macdonjo3