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An Eye-Opening experience I had today about college education.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Figrole, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Figrole

    Figrole Regular Member

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    Hey guys,

    Just a quick little counter of events that seriously hit home with me today when in work (im working a shitty part time retail job to fund my IM career). Made some money and making some recurring, nothing major yet though - still work for the social aspect etc.


    I wokr in a store in Dublin that sells kids clothes, not too exciting - get the odd headcase in complaining about all kinds of shit but all in all its a handy little job with pretty good pay.


    Que to today, in comes this woman, pushing a buggy with her small child in it.

    First thing I notice is how TIRED she looks. Looks as if she hasnt slept properly in weeks. She was in trying to get a present for her sisters baby or some shit, I was more than happy to help her out (seeing as it is my job)


    We get chatting and she tells me that shes a nurse in a local hospital (one of the main ones in the country, which explained the tiredness) and then just carried on with the general chit chat.
    *FOR RELEVANCE: To be a nurse in Ireland, you need to study in college for 4 years followed by a heck of alot of other training before you even come close to the clients*



    We have massive savings on in our store at the moment and she picked out some nice little pieces, and saved hersel just shy of 60% on them aswell.

    I brought her up to the till and this is when it happened.

    She had a present picked out and as I was gift wrapping it she was trying to decide between 2 tshirts to get for her own child.
    THEY WERE €9.90 EACH.

    It wasn't a thing that which one she preferred, but more what she was able to afford. She said is passing that could only get one of them OR NOT BE ABLE TO EAT TONIGHT.

    It just really struck home with me because there I was - a 20 year old student with little to no worries making close to €10-20 per day on automation at this stage, and this woman couldnt afford the same amount as she had to eat in the same day.


    A woman that spent her whole life studying and works endless hours.

    Just very strange situation that hit home with me big time.
    There she was - followed the ideal path, went to college, got a good job, and can barely afford to survive.

    And me on the other side, a 20 year old, studying in college, only beginning my IM journey - making nearly twice what she couldnt afford a day with little to no effort.


    The world is a weird place.
     
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  2. curiouskt

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    Nurses, teachers and service people dont get theTRUE recognition nor reward that they deserve.
    Indeed it is a weird place, to be sure, to be sure:):)
     
  3. Figrole

    Figrole Regular Member

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    Thats so true man haha,

    Just shows that college education doesn't automatically mean financial freedom.
     
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  4. gman777

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    Well, welcome to reality. The world is not balanced, and truth to be told, if you compare every job in the world with IM, then IM hands down wins everytime if we are speaking from an entrepreneurial POV.(You're making those $10-20 online, right?)

    The reason is the effectiveness. Imagine this thing: you go door-to-door to sell a product to 1000 of houses(so 1000 potential customers), vs selling to those people online, which in comparison would be like attracting flies to those sticky traps, or like using a gigantic magnet.

    Also, unlike that woman, you're not bound to a system, you're creating your own. So while you work for someone, you're limited by how much they pay you, and it's obvious that they wouldn't keep you there if you wouldn't make them any profit. When you're selling to a person directly, there's no middleman.
     
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  5. Elin Dotsya

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    I have a cousin who graduated from Uni with a BA in Interior Design and ended up working at Subway, lol. You can't trust any single system. If you want to make munies, you have to look for your own way out.
     
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    All you deserve is the results of your actions towards closing a sale.

    This is infinitely more fair than having a piece of paper magically entitle someone to more money for nothing. I think college is so popular, because it taps into the something for nothing delusion. That is the core of every con. Everyone wants a free ride at someone else's expense.

    Only the value-for-value minded people prosper in the long term. Learn how to sell. It is the most valuable and in demand skill in the world. After that, just reinvest your money in your ability to sell even better. Nothing else counts in the end run, so acting otherwise is asking to lose by default.
     
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    If a full time nurse can't afford basic shit that's not a problem about wage or college - it's a problem about not being able to prioritise probably. Stay in school kids (but feel free to do IM/business on the side).
     
  8. Sherbert Hoover

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    If you enter college with the idea that an education will be automatic financial freedom, that's fine. If you exit college with that same mindset, you learned nothing.

    There are plenty of jobs requiring a college education that give you a better return for your time than the average Internet marketing role.

    I think you are misrepresenting the idea of effectiveness. You could run an offline direct mailing campaign for a small local business and hit every single house in a town with a flyer (door-to-door) and get a far greater return on your time than an online ad campaign. You are comparing apples to oranges. The same products that are feasible to attempt to sell door-to-door are not the same products you would sell to people online.

    Or benefits. Or 401k match. Or camaraderie between co-workers. Or opportunities for promotions. College educated real world jobs, no matter how terrible the job market, are far more risk-averse than self-employment, especially in Internet marketing.

    That's what happens when you get a degree in Interior fuckin' design. The system didn't screw your cousin, the poor decision on a major did.
     
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  9. gman777

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    @Sherbert Hoover I'm sorry but this time I had absolutely 0 intention to compare college with IM. You're right, college is great because you're going there to get a whole different mindset and not just for the raw knowledge from that specific skill as I initially thought, just like one of Einstein's quotes (supposedly) said.

    My post was more of an explanation for the OP of why he was able to earn much more than that woman who went through the college. And in this case is right to compare apples with oranges because that seems to be the difference between him and that woman.

    Of course, if I'd had to compare apples with apples, then you can definitely attain a close/same effective rate just like IM( e.g going around with a car and a megaphone).
     
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  10. Peter Ngo

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    Why do you guys talk like everyone went to college can't earn shit and everyone in IM industry make big bucks? smh.
     
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  11. Elin Dotsya

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    Yeah, well, maybe it was the only thing she was good at, I don't know. Anyway, I majored in CIS (known as CS in other places) and couldn't comprehend how to do pseudocode, lmao. I cared more about skipping my classes to play Runescape @ the Mac lab to really get anywhere. America def had more opportunities for me than where I am today.
     
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    I agree. Some people go to college and make a great living and some guys never make more than a couple bucks in IM.

    It comes down to each individual and how much they really want to be financially free. The problem is that many people go into college believing that they will automatically get a nice, high paying job or go into IM thinking they can sit by the pool and make millions.
     
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    If you don't mind me asking, where did you go to college?
     
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    If you study a more cash valuable degree you will make a shit load more than a lot of people will ever make in IM. Nurses do not earn enough but they know that and are in it for a different reason. Get a maths qualification, become a stock broker, you'll make more than 90% of this forum
     
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    I know nothing about nurses and police (I assume that's what you mean by service?) but for teachers, I do.

    I've taught as a public and private teacher and I have tons of experience from multitude of schools from relatives who teach. Here's my indictment: Most schools must be incinerated with fire, the majority of teachers won't provide the goods and couldn't provide them even if they wanted to. The system is rigged in such a way as to promote indifference, conformity to the lowest common denominator and outright hostility to personal development other than kids being part of the grind.

    While there are diamonds to be found - if your kid is lucky - they swim in a turd sea and their hard work is not allowed to fully benefit the kids. True recognition for those few? Absolutely! Being a model teacher is really hard. But for the vast majority of teachers? Ha.
     
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    That's sad :(
     
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    Encouraging people to be allways their own boss and forget about college education is not the way to go. We need doctors, nurses, engineers and even if the system is kinda broken and misleading sometimes.... having everyone trying to sell something in the internet is not what I'd call a succesful community.

    At the end, it comes to an individual to go in an specific path
     
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    Sac City College

    http://www.scc.losrios.edu/
     
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    Stories like these always make me feel fortunate to have come across the right information at the right time.

    Never buy into the stories society tells you - things don't actually work the way the masses think they do and what school and media teaches us - be it happiness, economy or social dynamics. It's YOUR job to educate yourself so that you can allow yourself to live how YOU want to live. Doing "everything right" in terms of what's considered normal today will get you to fit in, but that's about it - you'll be dead inside.
     
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  20. curiouskt

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    Agree with the sentiments here, but we must also realise that there are MANY people and MUCH talent which are never afforded the opportunity to better themselves,
    or indeed their local society / economy, for many reasons unbeknownst to them, including, but not limited to the BIG boys being selfish and cash grabbing thieves,
    they steal the souls of many.

    @jazzc yeah thats what I meant.
    I also meant in terms of being empathatic towards those how find it impossible to break into becoming that elusive diamond.
    "The system is rigged in such a way as to promote indifference". This is fact, yet so many in society are almost brian washed into thinking otherwise.

    (BTW, thats also why I got out of the training profession, because I saw so many great talents which could not be harnessed due to the "system")
     
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