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AMAZON Severed Ties With Over 100,000 Affiliates in CALI

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by cookiejar, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. cookiejar

    cookiejar Regular Member

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    Well,

    With the Jar being a CA resident, I was one of the 100K that got terminated from the associate program. I have over 15 blogs promoting products and I'm pissed right now, I haven't even gone through and changed the links yet, so their probably getting free sales from me as I type this.

    I have never EVER had legislation pass that impacted me like this, and the worst thing is that, Nobody saw it coming, No heads up, No BTW, Nothing, I'm so pissed, I needed to vent and see how other CA Resident Affiliates have been dealing with this.

    I think I'm just going to sell the blogs, I worked so hard to get the steam of traffic flowing to them and to open my email and read what AMAZON has decided to do, it just doesn't make sense. The law is requiring you to pay taxes so instead of paying taxes you would rather dispose probably one of the largest affiliate market providing business to you? WTF? Just Pay the Phucking Taxes, this world is FULL of Nothing but Filthy Greedy MOFO's, if they can't make 1,000% on something their not interested.

    The government is focusing on the wrong stuff, if they think this will make people shop more OFFLINE their wrong, They Need to CLOSE-UP the Phucking Super Walmarts, their the #1 Mom and PoP shop killers, Not online sales.

    I'm tired of ranting, thanks for reading, any positive advice will be appreciated. PHUCK AMAZON!
     
  2. xollls

    xollls Junior Member

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    I don't blame Amazon, I blame Brown for passing this law that he probably doesn't even understand.

    Maybe I should move to Vegas its more tax friendly. CA is heading in the wrong direction.
     
  3. cookiejar

    cookiejar Regular Member

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    I BLAME AMAZON because their making a shit ton of money, PAY SOME PHUCKIN taxes. simple. Help keep the economy balanced. How long did they think they could of hoarded that amount of in-conceivable money without paying taxes?

    Well I'm forming my Las Vegas LLC this week, end of story.
     
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  4. xollls

    xollls Junior Member

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    Different views but thats okay :D

    Be careful forming a Nevada LLC to avoid CA taxes...heres a quote from another post I made:

     
  5. IdiotSavant

    IdiotSavant Newbie

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    it isn't about making folks buy locally, it is about forcing businesses to work for the .gov for free collecting taxes they need to keep from falling off the face of the earth. All .gov entities here in Texas are talking about making businesses collect sales and use taxes on internet sales. "could amount to BILLIONS" bull$hit.
     
  6. pamon

    pamon Junior Member

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    amazon pulled out and has in other states. i'm incorporated out of state so will run my stuff out of the corp and be safe. was doing it in my personal name here in Cali. just a money decision by amzn thats all. lots of sites not paying taxes and there's legal case law backing them on this being ok.
     
  7. xollls

    xollls Junior Member

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    Are you CA resident at this moment? Did you incorporate yourself or local service?
     
  8. bananaman5000

    bananaman5000 Regular Member

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    tax tax tax, that's all the government does. isn't that why we rebelled against the british in the first place?
     
  9. consciousnesscreates

    consciousnesscreates Power Member

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    To be honest unless your selling your own personal stuff and even my own personal ebook stuff is not selling much at all Amazon are pieces of crap like Ebay with the power and their sick 1 day cookie tracking for all the work others do for them.
     
  10. adhept

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    That sucks, surely the affiliate revenue they would raise - taxes is better than getting sweet FA?

    I wonder why they operate in the UK. I love it when Americans complain about high taxes, come have a look at ours - you'd have a fit
     
  11. eBayMafia

    eBayMafia BANNED BANNED

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    As someone who sells higher priced items on Amazon, I have been watching this really closely. I pretty much dislike the eBay side of my business, but when it comes to Amazon I'm more open. If you have ever sold high price items on Amazon then you know, people really do bust their balls to market your stuff for a small percentage.

    Amazon however has been doing some funny things lately. Now their product pages have gone from a great simple layout to a clustered and messy lay out in which lowers conversion rates.

    Go look, http://www.amazon.com/Net-Return-Pro-Multi-Sport/dp/B001NPSW1K/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1309502821&sr=8-11

    It's messy as hell. Too many images, to many paths that lead away from the purchase of the item, Amazon is becoming pretty retarded for no reason.

    Amazon, Google, eBay, PayPal, Facebook all got to where they are by being able to reinvest at a time of the rising of the internet and being a couple steps ahead of local and federal laws, instead of being burdened by paying taxes. If these companies were as heavily taxed right from the start, I would put money on the fact you probably wouldn't see half of them in existence.
     
  12. cookiejar

    cookiejar Regular Member

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    I 100% Agree, if they had been operating like local brick and mortar businesses getting taxed from day 1, these internet businesses wouldn't have blossomed into the money printing presses they are today. But just like anything else once it becomes too lucrative Uncle Sam MUST get his share or else nobody is eating.

    As technology advanced and e-commerce sky-rocketed, alot of businesses had to fold up tent due to online competition (COMP USA, Circuit City) to name a few, they just couldn't compete with the New Eggs and others.

    I see stores now that have price competition sales where if you find a lower price online you can bring in the ad and purchase it at the store for the same price. (Best Buy) This way, your online competition is actually advertising for you. It's these kind of creative sales technique you must employ to keep your tent open and not fall victim to your online counter-parts.

    While I don't agree with the government stepping in and trying to level the playing field, because the future is eCommerce and there will always be deals online that you cannot find on the streets, it's the Companies like Walmart are the ones needing to fold up tent and taxed the phuck out of, they kill the mom and pop shops more than anything, want to jolt the economy? Force one of those Super Walmarts to close up, shut-down like 50 of them and see where the consumers go with their money.

    Whats next? Will we be paying to click on links? Soon to purchase a .com will be $30-40 dollars, still no matter what type of business structure you form online/offline you must pay taxes, and for Big companies like Amazon having a no tax business structure sounded good and was very profitable, they should have known at some point uncle sam and the jealous bunch would have stepped in and required taxes on goods sold online. How many more Businesses would have will-fully folded without whistle-blowing to congress what was going on?

    I still think people will shop online EVEN with taxes because like I said, It's the future. Gas is high, why crank up your vehicle to go to the store when you can be in your birthday suit and purchase goods online? Even if you save 10-20% at the store, you end up paying those savings in gas traveling.
     
  13. adhept

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    I have to disagree, there will never be $40 for a new .com - for the simple reason it would take global taxes to enforce it. Good luck with that.

    People sometimes forget there is more to the world than the USA. If the US decides to try tax the hell out of a large internet company, there is absolutely nothing to stop said company moving to one of the tax havens with NO income or corp tax. The sites users would never notice the difference.
     
  14. cookiejar

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    I don't blame the governor for trying to level the playing field, I'm an active affiliate for amazon and the high products that I've sold although it has been passive income because it's just ads people are clicking to purchase goods that I don't house, still the percentage rate is RAPE 4.5%? I sell a fucking $600 TV and you give me $4-8? That's rape and because they had no sales tax, people purchased high end products from affiliates like crack, so with them making this un-concievable amount of money, instead of paying taxes they would rather tell the affiliates, YOURE FIRED YOU BUMS. BLAME THE GOVERNOR? No I blame you Greedy Sons of bitches.
     
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    adhept, I was being sarcastic I don't know how long you been in IM but I remember registering .coms for $4.99, now with all the FTC laws and addons for privacy and bullshit there in the upper $6-$10 dollars in a just a span of 3-5 years, with ecommerce on the rise, I see no reason for the greedy bastards to raise the price for domains.

    Hell you can even have your own TLD now for a cool $2,500. Do you think the global market had anything to dicate that price???

    Further more ICANN is not ran by the government, which alot of people think runs ICANN, they can do what the fuck they want without approval of global markets or the GOV.
     
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  16. Starcodes

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    those bastard my state connecticut was hit also Ama-stone lol also closed my account without notice those bastards is that how you treat your affiliates? anyways there are still ways around this just open an offshore bank account and get a new address from another country like the uk or canada then all problems solved
     
  17. jonnyquest

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    Let me understand this ...

    If you are an affiliate in Cali and you sell products anywhere in the world because your business is in Cali you (Amazon) are required to collect taxes from your customers at the stated % rate in the location the goods are being shipped?

    Right?

    JQ
     
  18. gbmack

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    stop complaining and make money