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Am I the only one who doesn't mind paying taxes?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by dnreg, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. dnreg

    dnreg Junior Member

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    Am I the only one?

    I grew up very poor and my family lived off of social welfare programs. Because of food stamps and similar societal contributions to me (as a child of poor people) I was able to have a more level playing field. I knew kids around me who were smart, but whose parents didn't take advantage of the programs they could, and (coincidentally or not) those kids haven't "made it" at all.

    On the other hand, I was fortunate enough to have parents who utilized those programs and it helped me to do well in school because I wasn't worrying about basic necessities at home.

    Because of this and other reasons, I have no qualms with paying into the government's coffers (at a reasonable level) in the hope that someone else who isn't born into wealth can use the programs which I help fund to get ahead in life. Paying taxes has become in a sense the way that I "give back" to the society that helped make me as financially successful as I am now.

    Do you guys think this is unreasonable? I ask this because I see people attempting to advise others to evade taxes and joking about the patriotism or paying taxes at all, but really folks, taxes (and the use thereof) are a significant part of what keeps the society advancing!
     
  2. allrecycle

    allrecycle Regular Member

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    you gotta pay to play!

    my family was also on welfare at one point so i know were you are coming from!
     
  3. claywalsh

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    I think the problem is the percentage is too high

    In canada about 34% of my income is taxed when you include CPP and EI stuff.

    TOO HIGH


    I think 10% would be much more reasonable.

    yes you might say "but If we only took 10% tax, then welfare and other programs would lose funding"

    Not true. Its about priorities. Our governments put lots of priority (and trillions) building weapons and armys. Is this REALLY a good direction to be heading?

    not in my opinion. think most tax money is waisted and thats why I don't like paying it.

    Just look at the bailouts - its a reflection of what goes on with our money. BULLSHIT.
     
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  4. kingofbigmac

    kingofbigmac Regular Member

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    I don't mind it at all. Sadly I live in a country that doesn't quite get it. Thats the good ol' US of A. I am in the lowest tax bracket so I don't have much say but dammit I am paying my taxes too. My mom was struggling to find a job 6 years ago or so and with 6 kids she needed food stamps. That helped put food on the table and we didn't know we were on food stamps. My mom did a good job hiding that information from us. She didn't want us to worry.

    Taxes pay for many things. I don't want my tax money to go to the war but it does sadly. I like the idea of having to pick where you want your money to go to but that simply won't work. Things just wouldn't get done it that was the case. There is money going in the right and wrong things. People just need to stop being so small minded and stop calling it SOCIALISM, MARXISM, FASCISM. It's called treating people right and who are in need. I can go out right now and get food stamps and medicare but I am a bit too proud and it can be used to help someone else who really needs it. I can manage.
     
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    xXxXx Registered Member

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    Yup, writing the cheque that will fund a bomb that will be dropped on some innocent children or a wedding really makes my day...
     
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    roflol.

    But I have to agree, I need to know where my money is going before I'll be okay with it.
     
  7. DebtFreeMe

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    I grew up in a single parent home. My father was the responsible one in our family. From age 5 on it was me and my dad. We were poor as sh1t, lived in a tin sided single wide trailer, in the middle of no where, until I was 15. My father worked his a$$ off and asked no other man to pay his way.

    And, he was happy living life on his terms, today guess what I am a well adjusted middle American, I don't ask, nor expect a hand out, although I do give to charity. But, I take offense at the government telling me that I will give to the charities that they demand.

    My father instilled in me the idea that if I got an education, and worked hard I would make it in life. You know what, I do agree with him on some of that, if I get an education, which includes the education you can get here on the BHW, and you use your education to work smart, you don't have to work hard.

    I have no problem with "HELPING" anyone, but when you demand that I give you something, because you are "Entitled" simply because you exist, you will be out of luck.

    Anyone here that disagrees with me???

    Great, then I expect out of your sense of duty, you will PM me and every other BHW member with all of your best money making ideas, because if you don't you are just a selfish, greedy, bastard that has simply grown up with a silver spoon in your mouth, and a trust fund to wipe you a$$...

    It is your choice to live the life you want, not my choice to force you to live the way you do. Don't force me to pay for your poor choices...

    And Don't penalize anyone for making the right choices. Take 10% across the board, make the government live on a balanced budget, and make people responsible for their own lives, not the governments responsibility. Then if you want to rely on the kindness of others, so be it, your choice, not a mandated one.
     
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    Yep, I grew up in a solo parent situation (Sorta). My parents had split up by the time I was 2, And I lived with my dad my whole life. I still had my Mum all the time, It wasn't like I was looked after by one parent, But still, my dad looking after just me and him, he couldn't really work. He could work, But only during the hours I was at school. Which is actually incredibly hard to find a job that has only a few hours in the middle of the day. So although he had a bit of money coming from his job, We still needed the support that the government gave us just to make ends meet.

    I live in NZ, Which has differing military policies then most countries. But at the end of the day, Even we still have an Army + Navy. And I know plenty of people that were/are in both. And I never once question about my money paying their wages. And it makes me laugh a little, Because our military is doing NOTHING in the world. We have a few soldiers in Afghanistan (By a few, I mean one set of combat troops, And the rest are engineers etc). And then a few other soldiers positioned around the world for peace keeping. So if anything, Shouldn't I be pissed that my money is paying a soldier to do nothing? I really don't mind, and think it is an fine profession.

    Maybe it's the commy side of me coming out. But at the end of the day, SOMEONE has to do those low paying jobs. Like that guy cleaning public toilets, mopping the floor at mcdonalds etc. And if that person has a family, They need the support, They just cannot do it alone.
     
  9. jfly09

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    I wouldn't have as much of a problem if most of the money wasn't totally wasted and instead went to worthwhile programs
     
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    Uncle Sam is a greedy bitch. He wants his hands in my pockets all the time.

    I don't even live in America yet he still forces me to pay. I don't see a single damn benefit because I'm not even in the country.

    Then a third of my money goes to some war in a country I don't give a fuck about. I basically let Uncle Sam rob me blind so he can send my countrymen over to a country on the other side of the world to get their legs blown off and sniped at. I'd rather see those billions of dollars put into helping the poor and giving out food to people who need it. But no, Uncle Sam would rather let his own people stagnate in their filth.

    Uncle Sam was and always will be a greedy bitch with his hands in my pockets. He takes my money and then spends it at his own discretion without caring what I say. Then again, if anyone had the ability to steal your money and use it without your say, you'd expect this.
     
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    If you live in an overly corrupt country, then I guess you will hate paying your taxes.
     
  12. dnreg

    dnreg Junior Member

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    Can you elaborate on these two points? I'm unsure of what you mean on them. Otherwise I take your point (though I don't subscribe to it), but I just am curious on these particular issues. TIA
     
  13. thomansfel

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    in my case I feel kind of bad when paying taxes, for what ? I earned the money, nobody helped me and here in my country social services are below average so that is how I feel, on the other hand when I pay fees and traffic fine`s to the state I have no problem at all so I guess that compensates
     
  14. RamChaturvedi

    RamChaturvedi Supreme Member

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    Well this would be my first time i will pay my taxes and i am glad to pay those....Its basically what Govt. needs to run...not mainly for those social camps and all but this money goes to the Military,Infrastructure development,Flood Relief,Drought relief,Parks and other various small and big things that make our life complete...so to have them look/work good i will surely pay taxes this year!! :)
     
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    Codythebest Senior Member

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    I paid 67% of my revenue in my original country. I moved to the US where I'm in the 15%-25% bracket for the same revenue now. But I still have difficulties to let that check go...
     
  16. therat

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    Yeah, I dont mind paying either

    It just pisses me off that there is only 1 politician pushing for social security and medicare reform

    And as for the "wasted money in bailouts" our country and the world would be in DIRE economic conditions as these companies really were too big to fail because the job loss would devastating

    Also, you have to give Obama some credit for helping to stablize the economy and get
    it going again. Im speaking as an economic conservative who wouldn't give out praise lightly.
     
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    its not really about paying or the amount u pay.. and God I know that!.. but its what the govt does with the money. Just wish when I sent my check in i had a choice to tell them how to spend the money. I feel like i'm in a JV where they get a nice cut of my hard work but did nothing for it. At the least they would send out a thank you note. hahaha
     
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    No matter how much you make.... If your sending a check to the IRS your not doing your taxes right.... ;)

    Someone should sell a BH Tax Service......
     
  19. DebtFreeMe

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    Hey there dnreg,

    On the charities end I take offense to my money being used to help groups such as ACORN, Planned Parent Hood, and many of the other leaches that hang on to politicians and push people to support them simply so they can get more money out of the tax payers.

    On the side of helping people I do not mind giving to charities, short term unemployment insurance, short term welfare, or donating to scholarships (my wife and I actually have sponsored these for families that can't afford them). But I do mind these things becoming a way of life, and those people that simply stop trying to help themselves simply so they can get these "entitlements" because they believe that by there mere existence they are entitled to have others make sure they are taken care of.

    Most of the poor in our country would be considered middle class or wealthy in most of the world. I work hard for my money, with no help from anyone else, and I do not believe I should be held up for my money simply because the gun is being held by a government employee...

    Government has a place in society, in building roads, setting the rules for business, defending the country, and providing for temporary assistance for those that have financial difficulties. But, when living off of money that the government has forced one person to give up, simply to hand it to another person that does not do the task of improving themselves, I see no use in that.

    I myself hold a full time job (working nights), am going to college to get my degree in business, have twin 5 year olds and a wife to try and spend time with, and I send as much time as I can on here trying to learn new skills so that in the future I can try and earn a living online full time, so I don't have to work nights and can be with my family more.

    I am doing what I can to make sure my life is better, and that means I have to say no to a lot of my friends when they want to get together, I watch almost no TV, I feel bad when I do watch TV because I always have other thing I can do or learn to improve my families future...

    Life is about doing for yourself, not demanding others do for you...
     
  20. dnreg

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    Yeah, I agree with you in general re: entitlements.

    The situation unfortunately comes down to there being irresponsible people who have children, and while the parents are not responsible and may feel entitled to long-term care for one reason or another, that isn't the child's fault. I guess I just have a soft spot for kids who lose out on opportunities because of their parents' poor choices, and for that reason primarily I'm fine with most of the social welfare programs.

    EDIT: thanks for coming back and responding to those two questions I asked earlier, btw :)
     
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