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Always Ask UPFRONT payement, Hard lesson Learnt!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by anti_dote, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. anti_dote

    anti_dote Power Member

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    Kinda sad, as title says it all. I have one guy who wanted me to write 80 articles, he was from fiverr and after writing 21 articles he tells me this isn't what he wanted. I was helpless at the point because I asked one close friend of my mine to assist me as he always wanted me to help him get started in IM.

    Now, I am facing this dilemma I can neither get paid for my self nor him, I don't mind if he scammed me but I am concerned about the other guy who put so much into this and he will be getting nothing from it and he will loose faith in me. I can't use those articles as they are about cleaning industry.

    So, here is the lesson no matter how desperate you are for work, ALWAYS ASK FOR UPFRONT PAYMENT even if its half the % of actually amount.

    SORRY about the title spelling: "Payment"
     
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  2. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    Concur entirely. In almost all other areas, 100% payment occurs upfront, with the service performed afterwards. Only with writing online is there a default expectation that the producer must wait to be paid. For larger projects, paying in segments is reasonable, but even there the payment for the first 25% of the project should be paid first, followed by the completion of the segment.
     
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  3. Aegroeg

    Aegroeg Regular Member

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    Never you mind.
    I'm sorry to hear that. But thank you as its another lesson learned for the rest of us who see these posts. Hopefully the other guy youve been working with will be understanding, if not frustrated.
     
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  4. MP123

    MP123 Junior Member

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    If I where in that situation. Contact fiver, explain situation with this person and give them his/her username.

    If you know the guys website, go around leaving all rubbish feedback 1 stars etc etc..

    If the guy has faith in you and loyal, something like this shouldn't really matter if you can really give him an oppurtunity..

    Just go out their chasing the next carrot.

    Actions speak louder than words.
     
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  5. nirose

    nirose Senior Member

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    If he was going to use them for his site:
    you should have created a blogspot blog (or any free blog) on that topic, then post all the articles there. Then try to get it indexed first on Google with tricks mentioned on the forum. If he hasn't used them already yet, do it and the content he'll post up would be considered as a duplicate by the search engine.

    And hopefully he'll pay the price of not paying you.
     
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  6. alexglo

    alexglo Junior Member

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    I think paying a 25/50% upfront is reasonable. I'm not sure why any service providers should ask for 100% upfront, that's just how scams happen.

    In all honesty I've bought loads of articles online in the past and they are never as good as I want. Still paid for them though!
     
  7. GauravJ

    GauravJ Power Member

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    Don't worry about your friend cum assistant, this is the part of training
    He can learn about article writing skills from ebooks also and
    lots are available in download section or google them for get some
    but this kind of experience and how to deal with Is what a experienced guy can only deal with.
     
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  8. anti_dote

    anti_dote Power Member

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    This is exactly what I have to tell people, the guy who ordered a gig which was about articles he even wrote in the brief, but actually what he wanted was a "Sales Page/Landing Pages" for just $4, I even managed to write what he asked me 2nd time but he wanted something that is only possible if you are given very good compensation. Thanks everyone for their inputs.
     
  9. AussieLocalSEOGuy

    AussieLocalSEOGuy Newbie

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    A year or 2 back some old friends of mine tried to start their own cleaning business, they failed to get any clients through internet and gave up the whole business idea. I only heard this from them recently. It sounds like your articles would be very helpful for content submission and improving SEO rankings for any cleaning business. Might I suggest call 3 or 4 cleaning companies and I'd be suprised if you couldnt get one SEO client out of that to make probably a lot more money than you lost on fiverr. And help a local business get more clients in. When life gives us lemons make lemonade :)

    Edit:
    p.s. ask for SEO fees upfront
     
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