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almograz's BlackHat journal

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by almograz, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. almograz

    almograz Newbie

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    Hey guys,

    I've joined a few weeks ago after a recommendation from a friend of mine and member who has been doing this for 6 months and is making $xxxx / day.

    I've done PPC-Coach before, and the 30 day challenge, but that's pretty much where my experience begins and ends. I have a background in IT, and write pretty damn good copy. I also consider myself to understand people and how they work (and buy) very well as that's something I need for my job.

    Anyway.

    I've started a challenge to myself. I always take on challenges in the beginning of every month. So this month was:
    - No cigarettes
    - A greensmoothie every day (http://www.greensmoothiechallenge.com)
    - 100 hours of AM

    I well and truly believe that I can have a $100/day, or even start seeing consistency doing it, even though so far I haven't seen a nickel :)

    I've noticed that people in this forum really have respect for people who take action. Well so do I, and I do take action. This journal will help me follow my actions and be held accountable to my peers.

    If anyone wants to add me to aim, pm me please - my current AIM username is my gmail account and I don't want to expose it here.

    So without further ado...

    13/10/09
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    To sum up what I did since the beginning of the month... Seems like it's not that much:

    * I've been researching e-whoring. Went into a chatroom, had AIM / MSN / Yahoo accounts for my fake girl. I wrote in the profile I'm a cam model. Got banned immediately before getting time to make conversations. That left a bitter taste in my mouth (no pun intended) so I left it for now, may return later (maybe even soon).

    * I've started posting on gumtree and bought gumtree poster. I won't say what my method was, because I think it's a good one and not extremely overused... I got it as advice from my $xxxx friend. One day when I posted it I got 40 replies to a single post (not sexual) which were all quite hot leads to buy.
    I replied to all of them by hand (actually 27, 13 I just saw today), just to get a feel for it. Got no sale. That was disappointing!

    - btw I'm a member of a few CPA networks, and have also joined Cash University since coming here... Even though something about that website feels wrong. What do I know, right? :)

    * I've posted a similar ad in a few other different gumtree. It was almost the same word for word, but I put it in a different section.
    Even though, put together, possibly those 6 ads had the same amount of views as the first one I only got 2 replies in 3 days. Incredible. I'm starting to think that people really follow the herd effect and reply more when there are 50+ views on gumtree.

    Anyway, that's it for now, will keep updating as I go along. Feel free to add me to AIM but please either be at my level and want to discuss things or have some advice to offer... I really don't think I'm good enough to give any advice just yet.

    Cheers guys!
    Al
     
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  2. SparkyBlue

    SparkyBlue Regular Member

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    good luck mate.
     
  3. almograz

    almograz Newbie

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    14 of October

    OK, so what have I done today? :)

    I've posted up 18 ads (I think) on gumtrees in England - pretty much each and every one that had a casual section. I did it with my software that sort of failed but all in all made the process super quick and efficient. I will have to contact the developer about some errors...

    Anyway, over a few hours I've received about 150+ replies across 6 different gmail accounts.

    I started replying to them, using a template which gets them to invest more in the idea of casual sex with this person, + i sent them 4 pictures.

    i believe there will be a high reply rate to this, but we'll see tomorrow :)

    i've also found out that gmail stops you sending replies after 20 e-mails which is probably something i'll have to deal with sooner (or sooner). any ideas?

    will keep this updated. first day of e-whoring woot!
    al
     
  4. SparkyBlue

    SparkyBlue Regular Member

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    how did the reply rate turn out mate?

    as for the gmail thing, i don't use it. i have a secondary account through my ISP, as well as another one through my hosting company. do you have a domain/host? i know a few that had auto-responders tied into the package.

    oh yeah, and how's the no smoking going? :p
     
  5. almograz

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    hey bro,

    the response rate is quite incredible...

    i split the posting over a few different accounts, but only replied to 30... 20 from one account (the google limit) and 10 from another account.

    the first 10 i wrote quite personalized responses for. %100 reply rate
    the next 20 it was half personlized half templated... actually i was writing the template, trying to use my answer from before to answer those guys.
    remember that my template includes 4 pics... important that i shrunk them down in size otherwise it'd be a pain to have to attach them all over again.

    but i guess automation comes later.

    all those guys = very very keen to meet up with my girl... i'm a very good writer and i know girls very well, as it's part of my job. so now i've got 20 guys who are very keen, some have written back more than once.
    they're already quite ready to take orders from me (i told them to send at least 2 pics and they ALL did), so now they are primed to take more.

    i'm going to tell them to pick a location for us to meet (and tell them to 'be a man about it' lol) and also to fill in the CC offer.

    p.s. cigarettes = easy
     
  6. g111k

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    Hey, nice going on the journal as it will keep you on track... most people start AND quit in ewhoring... I too made my first online $ that way, but the overload of penis variations in my mailbox was just too much mental damage to take.

    What you need to do is to get a VPS, set up any type of email marketing software, and automatically reply to all incoming emails or extract ur incoming mail from gmail and blast it out once a day or so... trust me your time is MUCH MORE VALUABLE learning on how to set that up, rather than wasting time manually responding to the horny bastards
     
  7. almograz

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    Little update...

    I have replied to all the men who replied to me... thanks g111k for that insight, i guess there really isn't a point in trying to learn how to write fantastic personalized e-mails if I'm gonna blow hundreds every day.

    i've also realized my 'inner game' when it comes to this is very flawed. even though i made it the biggest goal of this month, we're currently on the 18th and i don't have much to show for it.
    i spent most of the weekend partying it away with booze, alcohol and chicks. just in general i'm seeing 3 girls at the moment, and just managing them is a bit of a headache! funny but that all started AFTER i took on this challenge which makes me think it might be good for my libido :) but also that i'm using sex as a procrastination mechanism. gay!

    aaanyway,

    i've installed leechblock on my firefox and till 2pm every day i'm blocked out of most of the websites that waste my time. after that till 8pm i only have 15 minutes in them every 4 hours. i might have to uninstall explorer to make this work.

    today i'm going to post more e-whore ads, and i'll start exploring what g111k gave in his response. i also got in touch with someone coaching blackhat from canada but he has been unavailable (not very reassuring).

    Al
     
  8. almograz

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    ok updates updates...

    i've had a couple of very frustrating days to setup a technical system that could work for me and i plan to spend the weekend making sure that it works to make my life a fucking BREEZE.

    my setup:
    gumtree poster @ $50 a month (bargain)
    gmailautoresponder @ $200 a month (seems to be working well)

    just downloaded hidemyip.com for proxying, this program is awesome even in the trial version and i think i'll pay to upgrade very soon.
    yup i'm taking this seriously and the more money i pay the more committed i am to succeed!!

    i also bought 1k gmail account yesterday from dheer here in the forums (quick delivery, haven't checked them yet) as my ads weren't being put up on gumtree after posting and i was suspecting it's a combination of ip + address. should work much better today.

    it took me a few days to figure this out as i was posting ads on gumtree, and they stopped sticking. which sucked even more as i had my autoresponder ready to blast through HEAPS of e-mails and i was keen to start actually playing the game of tweaking rather than setting up. oh well..

    what else? i've also been accepted to a few more CPA networks this week, which brings me up to a nice total of 5. a friend of mine will be explaining some uber method this week, which i'm really (REALLY) excited about. till then, work time.

    anyway, i've got a couple of methods up my sleeve to try soon. my e-whoring has been somewhat unsatisfactory, whether it's because of CU landing pages or my unconvincing / too nice & not pushy enough e-mails. the girl is hot, and they mostly think i'm real so that's a good sign.

    so yeah a few days out of whack but i'm back into it today.

    now that i've got some proxination (proxification wtva the word is) today is going to be massive action again. fuck going out on the weekend, that's for pussies :)

    so far by the way, some rough stats:

    amount of gmails i've opened myself: ~10
    amount of them i had to verify with my own SMS: ~5
    how shit scared that made me on a scale 1-10: 7
    amount of emails received from e-whored guys: ~250
    amount i've been able to respond to (including some initial autoresponder stats): ~150
    amount of hits on CU lander: ~40
    amount of sales on CU: 0 (!!)
    amount of CPA campaigns: ~4 (a few diff niches)
    amount of CPA e-mails received: ~150
    amount of click to my CPA offer: ~50-60
    amount of sales on CPA offers: 0 (fuck!!)

    i guess this is a good time to ask what's a good conversion rate for a newbie as I have no sales... i obviously have some idea on how to drive them to my landing pages, but not to keep their buying temperature high enough / build enough credibility / whatever. so yeah, for e-whoring - 1:80 for a newbie i'm guessing?? it's coming, it's coming (maybe i'll add some instant messaging to the conversion process).
    for CPA more like 1:50-1:100, which could still be some sort of marginal statistical error assuming i'm giving them a good deal.

    On the surface these seem like failures but i'm learning so fucking much, only a matter of time (and effort!!) i'm sure.

    i've got an eye infection i haven't dealt with because of working so hard on this. so yeah, i'm dedicated. not been meeting up with friends, only work clients and chicks that want to come over and fuck lol

    hit me up with replies would be nice to know someone is following.
    almog
     
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  9. redtide1969

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    I just found your thread but will keep track of your updates mate. You've got a solid game plan and the right mindset to succeed. Eye infections suck, so if you're staying this motivated while fighting that I give you kudos.

    I'm impressed by your "go get em" attitude.


    Red
     
  10. giddorah

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    Thanks!

    This is great for a newbie like me, and I bet it's fun to read even for an old-timer. :)
     
  11. cruzer

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    Dont get discouraged. After awhile of losing money and time you'll figure out how to make money. Everyday is a step closer to having that feeling of seeing money in your account that you have earned off the internet. Day dream about that for a few minutes after something doesnt work out.
     
  12. almograz

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    ok long time since update.

    i've started dating this awesome girl who is a master of work productivity (HOT!).
    on monday, first thing in the morning she sent me her priorities and then asked mine. i realized i didn't have any.
    i have a daily planner thingo that i bought in officeworks with spots for daily tasks + priorities. so i started filling those.

    i've had crzy intense 10-14 hour days this week (not all days, but that's NEW for me). some days i was working on my business, some on IM.

    i decided to drop massive trial offers and focus on getting some achievement first to please my inner child.
    all the while there were massive problems with both my autorespodner (server move) and my poster (which they solved brilliantly by editing the source code. took two days to figure it out though).
    i also formatted my computer...
    saw 2 girls...
    joined ~5 affiliate networks
    got clients for my regular business..
    had a chat with a savvy superaffiliate whos making $XXXX a day and who gave me some absolutely fucking brilliant methods...

    so

    yeh busy week.

    BUT

    DUN DUN DUN

    I made my first money online this week. It was only $7.6, on an e-mail submit.
    But it was completely automated... well the posting wasn't (poster was broken) but the response was.

    awesome stuff. i'm really starting to get the hang of it.

    you may laugh it off, but you don't know me. my first $100 day isn't far. i can feel it.

    watch this space.
    al
     
  13. albaniax

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    Congrats to your first earnings, keep on doing it.

    Now you just have to tweak things, and find your own twist.

    Just stick with what you do, and everything will be good.
     
  14. Silencer

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    Congratulations on your first earnings :)

    Hope you will soon join the $xxx a day club ;)
     
  15. martasanto45

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    good luck keep us posted
     
  16. almograz

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    OK so I launched a few more campaigns. The money just keeps rolling in now.

    Since I've got a method I can convert to more lucrative offers than Zip / E-mail submits, I will have a campaign like that up and running soon (possibly tonight).

    Through that I've made ~$10 today (a little less, still waiting for a $xx day), and since it seems through my research so far that leads from e-mail from people come about 50% first day, %50 second day (possibly even more on a third day since it's the weekend) i'm expecting about the same amount of leads to come in today.

    I've also found out that my hunch was correct - a very good landing page with a very nice offer, but which required a LOT of fields to fill in, had a much lower conversion rate (around half) of the other offer. Simple human psychology - you require more effort, you're less likely to get it.
    No fucking idea why the advertisers do it... Maybe they actually care about the extra info for research? Meh.

    On another note, a friend was over today and I wanted to show him my system setup.

    I took the old ads on gumtree poster and ran it, none of it stuck. I used a proxy, so it wasn't the IP, I think that gumtree has those e-mails blacklisted (duh!) and that's why.

    Will keep this updated, sorta.

    al
     
  17. almograz

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    OK udpate.

    First of all, Monday was my first $xx day. I made around $50 that day, $40 of which I only found about today (was a high paying free trial offer). Funniest thing was that it came from a test I did about a month ago where I only sent around 50 emails and never went back to the offer again. And now one converted - yay!

    I'm currently running new ads into gumtree that will be testing me ability to get higher paying CPA offers. I believe tomorrow will be yet another $xx /day.

    I've also learnt a LOT this week about:

    - Gmail forwarding - NEVER EVER send an email out of a gmail account that has other accounts forwarded to it (especially if multiple). it'll get disabled immediately. However if you don't send any emails out, I found gmail is quite happy to serve as a passive inbox... which is fine with me because GAR pops the emails out and sends them through a dedicated server (and spoofs the gmail).

    - learned how make my ads stick WAY more on gumtree.

    - Taught a friend the entirety of the method I'm using. She should start making money very soon (today / tomorrow).

    - learnt something very important about writing copy.. it's so backwards. when you're writing copy for a 'too good to be true' deal -> better make it short and ambiguous. people who have a 'too good to be true' deal to offer aren't trying to sell or explain themselves at all. This means I don't have to take the 'I'm a generous christian' attitude anymore, as the former converts better.

    Please comment peeps, I love the attention.
    Almog
     
  18. antsaoo

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    Good journal indeed , keep it up :) I think almost everyone here agrees its find something what works and scale it up + automate / outsource what you can :)

    And never give up
     
  19. virus_1720

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    keep it going man, if you be consistent there is nothing that can stop you from making money