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Allintitle: with or without " " ?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by creztor, Dec 25, 2008.

  1. creztor

    creztor Power Member

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    Ok, just curious if anyone has any comments about the difference between checking a keyword using allintitle:keyword and allintitle:"keyword". The reason I ask is that sometimes there be huge differences in the results returned. I understand the difference between the two, or so I think I do anyway, but is using " " with the allintitle returning somewhat false/unrealistic info when checking for competition? As I have seen allintitle return results of say 265,000 competing pages and using "keyword" showed 520, which seems a little too easy.
     
  2. ptsniper

    ptsniper Newbie

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    putting it in quotes would search for pages with those keywords in that exact order in the page title, whereas searching without quotes looks for pages with those keywords in any order (which should return more results)

    not sure if you meant it in your example but if searching for a single keyword, you'd just use intitle: and wouldn't use quotes.

    I personally use it without quotes and yes you sometimes get very low results using quotes, but it's not an absolute test of competitiveness...
     
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    creztor Power Member

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    ptsniper, yes I am aware of the difference, I am just seeing if anyone has any experience on how "true" these results are when checking for competition. As like you said, sometimes the differences between the two is huge. Thanks for the reply.
     
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    ptsniper Newbie

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    Sorry, what do you mean by "true"? The results are as accurate as any of G's other search results.

    If what you mean is that you can't 'believe' the results, then it all depends on the phrase you're looking at and how common the individual words are contained in your search term versus how common/rare your search term is as a phrase.

    Can you give an example?
     
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    creztor Power Member

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    A true reflection of how easy/hard it would be to rank for that keyword phrase. I know there is going to be no hard answer for this question, I was just hoping someone had tested before and had some personal experience. For example, most people would just use "keyword phrase" when checking competition, as the results shown with just keyword phrase vary immensely and using " " is meant to give you a better idea of the competition and if you have any chance of ranking for the keyword phrase. I have seen similar things with allintitle when using without " " and with " " around the keyword phrase. Without was say 1,000,000 and with was only 520. So I am wondering does adding " " to the allintitle kind of "misrepresent" the level of competition and you may see 520 and think wow I can dominate this phrase, but in reality you have no chance at all. You know there is only so much you can do before you start playing with results/stats and twisting the data to suit your needs and it doesn't actually reflect the true situation.
     
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    ptsniper Newbie

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    It doesn't misrepresent, but as I think I mentioned above it's not an absolute test, it should only form one of many tests made to establish competitveness, so concerning oneself over anomalies like the one you mentioned is not important (in isolation).

    So along with allintitle, it needs to go along with all the other checks - you might get a low result score for an allintitle search but a high allinanchor result (etc) might mean you don't stand a chance. You'd then look at the overall picture and decide.
     
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    *zap* Regular Member

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    This gives you little idea of the competition
    Set your page to return 100 results per page
    Then try going to the last one it will not be listed
    More SEO bull S***
     
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    What you do is use both, and if the numbers are similar it's slightly more competitive because everyone is talking about your keywords in the same context.

    It's hard to explain, but if "Black Hat World" with and without quotes are similar you know all the discussion and optimization is geared towards that exact match. However if no quotes had say 5 Million and with quotes had just 500 the competition is geared towards something else containing those words say "My world revolves around my black hat".

    So you can gain some useful info just using both versions of that operator, same with the other allin operators.

    Hope that makes some sense.
     
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    creztor Power Member

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    Thanks guys. Appreciate all the feedback.