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All your sites get de-indexed? Let's try to figure out why this happens.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by deviatus, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    This past year I've been seeing the same case over and over again on the webmaster forums..... "Help!! All my sites are de-indexed!! I lost all my income!"

    In nearly every occurrence of this, I see 3 things which remain the same in all cases:

    They were using Adsense + They were using Google Analytics + They hosted all sites on one host


    So why do you all think it happens? If BH backlink strategies can cause this, how long before we are all sending our competitor's links to bad neighborhoods on SB/xrumer?
     
  2. deadbeatdude

    deadbeatdude Registered Member

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    yah i dont use google anything on any of my sites and i'm never deindexed. about the only thing that ever happens to me is i get the kick around for a few weeks and i come back stronger, regardless of how many links i slam. i don't put them in any webmaster tools or anything either. no analytics, no gmail, no nothing. the less points of interaction they have with your sites the better. the only thing google i want to see on my site is their crawler.

    that's the tip of the day. don't involve google anything in your sites.
     
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  3. niche1

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    I started doing this back in the day, when Traffic Equalizer and Niche Portal Builder ruled......

    Same questions were asked.

    Here is my take on it:

    1. Don't use Google Analytics, period. Do you really need it? I don't think so. And Google does use it and quite well to de-index you as well as in your rankings and so on.....

    2. Adsense. If you are doing BH with Adsense, don't use Google Analytics. Also, Google has been using Google Adsense accounts as a way to look at all of your sites (that have GA on them), SO.......if they are all "BH", well the odds are that some Google employee will check one site and then the others and you know what happens next.

    3. All sites on one site, does make the de-indexing that much easier for the Google employee. Just think, if you worked for Google, how would you do the hatchet jobs on the MFA sites?

    In closing, I would say that you need to have some 3rd party site tracking software that does NOT report back to Google. Don't use Adcents (sic) exclusively and if you have a bunch of sites, try to spread them out on different servers.

    BTW, almost every tool leaves some type of footprint. Keep that in mind.

    I remember the days of doing basic keyword research, firing up TE or NPB (I also use SEC), adding in the keywords. And clicking next or start and bam, there is your site.

    (With Search Engine Cloaker, it was a little more complicated than TE).....

    So, you would just churn and burn.......

    Can't really do that anymore, unless you have a lot of sites, servers, accounts and so on.....and for the return that AdCents gives you....

    Anyway, HTH.......
     
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  4. blackieman

    blackieman Power Member

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    Google is a registrar and can track you that way too, so do mix your registrars and recommend using fake name/address, or private reg. The problem with fake is that if you are challenged, you cannot prove you are the owner, but if throw-away domains, who cares.
     
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  5. CClark56

    CClark56 Regular Member

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    I've actually been having a problem like this since I stopped using AdWords and started with natural traffic...

    But I've not been de-indexed totally, every month or two it seems my site is knocked off for the first 2-3 weeks of the month and then on the last week or two it's ranked around 2 - 3 in the SERPS and I start making money again.

    I have used AdSense (about a year and a half ago when I used AdWords)
    I have used AdWords
    I have used Google Analytics
    I have used Google Webmaster Tools (I have multiple sites on it)
    I have multiple sites on my host

    So... Yeah. That's probably the reason then, right? I'm just trying to pin point my problem, my site isn't totally removed when this shit goes down, because I can find my blogs posts and a few written articles, but it seems like the same problem.

    A while back I was actually jokingly thinking because I owed $45.00 to Google AdWords that they'd started messing with my site... now I'm starting to think they are out for blood over $45 (BTW, the reason I owe $45 is they didn't shut down my campaign and let it run for 1/5 of a day, it was bs.)
     
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  6. mikie46

    mikie46 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    EXACTLY! And when will people learn to keep Google out of their business? This includes get rid of CHROME and anything else you have installed on your PC thats google related. Clean your PC, keep it clean of Google and you will be better off.

    Get yourself a copy of Evidance Eliminator and use it on your PC
     
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  7. mikeyoung

    mikeyoung Registered Member

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    i see plenty of BH sites still on top of the SERPs and using analytics. i would definitely avoid adsense because if u use adsense you're giving the adsense team a great reason to take a look at your site when they do their checks and balances.
     
  8. Bross

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    What do you use if not analytics?
     
  9. anty

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    I used to run a network of sites on different IPs and without any google stuff on it. They where doorway pages to affiliate offers and heavily interlinked.
    I used private Whois-data and Google couldn't determine what domains where mine. They banned by IP though, even if it meant that some whitehat-pages were deindexed with it.
    Using Google stuff, especially on-page tools that are tied back to one account is at least negligent. Of course they use what data they have available to try to find out what pages you own when they find one really black hat one...
     
  10. ADHD-Dude

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    CHROME is spyware like all the tolls from G69gle and they where funded by C!A.

    This talk about site's getting deindexed is noob talk
     
  11. aldragon

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    I agree 100%, If you take $$ from g00gle itself (adsense) then you run into trouble,no trouble using analytics and webmaster tools or chrome, theres also a sure thing, and it has happened to me working for a big third party forex company the bigger the deal you make with adwords the bigger the boost to your serp!! G is fvcking corrupt and thats a fact.
     
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  13. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    Being worried about Chrome is about two steps too paranoid... but people's sites can and do get mass de-indexed in G, because of things G found out.
     
  14. shellc0de

    shellc0de Newbie

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    And i thought i hit that blunt too much haha
     
  15. giansim

    giansim Registered Member

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    Hi,

    Well had mine deindexed too but some of them come back then gone again. Well, ill try using other tools then and don't leave footprints on google =)

    Gian Sim