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"All the Young Dudes", I need your advice.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Asif WILSON Khan, Oct 6, 2013.

  1. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    So, my Son will be 17 next month and I would like to try and fuel his entrepreneurial spirit or at least ignite the spark.

    Currently, he spends his time playing games on Steam or watching YT videos, I don't have an objection to this but I would also like him to improve and develop other areas.

    He has an interest in Game Design and also Graphic Design and as an amateur he seems pretty good (in my opinion).

    A lot of you younger guys seem to be successful in areas that I have little interest in, so I would like your advice and suggestions on what might grab the interest of a 17 year old.

    Over the last 10 years I have suffered from Depression and because of the nature of the illness I feel I may not have been the best Father.
    I am trying not to be overbearing and I don't want to force him to do anything he doesn't want to but I would like to encourage him to take an interest in and develop some positive skills.

    Ideas on how I can do this without seeming like an interfering Dad would also be appreciated.

    Some of you may feel I should just leave him alone and let him get on with what ever he wants.
    I do understand this point of view and thought the same when I was younger but once you have kids your outlook tends to change.

    So, any ideas?
     
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    IMO entrepreneurial spirit wouldn't come from assigning or directing him to works/tasks. You will need to create a semi obsession in him to break the box and achieve greatness. Different movie related to real life entrepreneurial stories like Jobs, Social Networks, In pursuit of Happiness etc could be a good start. I started my journey at pretty much same age. I don't recall much about my motivation, but i do remember I wanted to be above average. Every teenager does. All you have to do is, make him realize that through entrepreneurship it is easier.
     
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  4. Kries

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    Ask him what do he want, give it to him. Give him something extra, if he ask for a ps4, give him a ps4 with some other games.After his birthday if he wants some cash, make him work for it. Make him help you in your marketing, doing some of your projects pay him more than people outside so he will do your job instead of selling drugs etc.
    Feel free to ask around at r/teenagers on reddit from a teenager's perspective.
     
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  5. innocent_kid

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    make him join some forums .. not bhw... but some forums normal community forums where they have chatbox and stuff.. people tok and stuff... but they have a gfx forum.. where people create free signatures and stuff....
    there he might just to showoff his skills and gain popularity might create his thread and start gfxing... that way he wil improve his designing and such.. and in soon willl be a pro designer and pro with photoshop...
    and so the journey begins
     
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    Probably it's not a good idea :) What if he wants to become something else? You can get something for him to read though. E.g. "Millionaire Fast Lane". That's the best you can and you should do. Who knows if he is gonna become the next Michael Jordan?

    Just make him realize one thing -

    There is nothing impossible out there. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is PAST POSSIBLE. Means, he will not only achieve it, but will go way beyond it.
     
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    Show him how much money is to be made in internet marketing and then show a comparison between a common man working 9 to 5 making pennies vs. IMer making way more than that in a short period of time.
     
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  8. Duffers5000

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    Sorry, you asked for young peoples opinions not old farts. However I have a 17 year old son whos an online gamer and like to arse about on youtube. He has combined those interests and set up a youtube minecraft channel. He set it up with his three mates and they record themselves doing multiplayer stuff.

    Its reasonably successful in that they have it monetized and get a few hundred quid between each of them every month(probably get a lot more if I could get my black hat hands on it but I leave him to it)

    if hes interested in graphics then introduce him to B3ta theres some serious photoshop legends over there. Ultimately though its kind of all his choice.
     
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    lead from the front. drive your ferrari past him after school, make sure you got some good lookin hoes in there with you, and shout to him,

    "hey do your homework, i'll be back late tonight"
     
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    ask him to get a bhw account.

    i promise this is best thing you can do. he will make his future on his own.
    or
    go and ask him what he want to do , then get him in school of that niche.
    let him fly.

    -=-
     
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    My parents never pushed me to take a certain career path or study a particular degree, and I will always be appreciative of that. Embrace his interests. For example, what's more game and graphic design orientated than something like the Dota 2 workshop? http://www.dota2.com/workshop/. Make cool stuff, get paid. Simple as that.
     
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  12. Twixx

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    If I had a father that was working from home, making money on his own, I would automatically be obsessed with learning to do it myself, plus I would have a great mentor that could teach me what I need to know. If he isn't interested at all in this, it could be hard to get him to like it.

    Anyways, I would ask him if he would like to make some money, and give him some small tasks (not the most boring things) that he could do. When he get the money, he may or may not be more and more interested in this. Also, show him some motivational threads on this forum where people his age has made good money. :)

    Good luck
     
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    This is actually a good idea. I got my brother interested in IM a few weeks ago by doing exactly the same thing. He joined BHW today, on his own accord even. :)
     
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    I myself was interested in game design at that age(only 24 now) and from the sound of it I can relate with him. That being said, check out Hero Engine, it's a 3d engine that could be used as a platform the build an MMO-RPG. Yearly subscriptions cost $97/year per user, and your son and his mates can start developing their own game in real time, hosted on the Hero Engine cloud. This might fire off his interests and have him on his way, like it did for me. I can come up with more suggestions if you don't like this one, I'll send you a PM with my contact information so you can hit me up anytime you wish. Hope this helps!
     
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  16. KELLOGGS

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    If he's into gaming and YouTube he could easily start a channel with game reviews and spoilers on updates that are soon to come out. It's hard to get started but with a few fake subscribers and views, he'll be up and running. (Even the most popular rely on fake boosts on their videos that don't hit it off)

    From there if he likes it he can keep it as a hobby or make it his full time "profession".

    Check out guys like Tom:

    Code:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/the-syndicate-project-teenager-quits-school-773613
    Pretty successful and does what he loves.

    Ultimately, give him a helping hand but leave him to find his own way. The worst thing is to set him up with a job where he wakes up in the morning and wishes he didn't have to get up.

    Of course I'm biased but there's nothing like earning while you're asleep and I think there are very few other jobs that can achieve that other than IM.
     
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    Life isn't a race.

    In Europe, advanced students graduate high school at 16. US students in public school, unless their parents make a fuss about it, cannot leave high school until they complete at least the first semester of their senior(4th) year, even if they are taking only college level classes by their junior(3rd) year of high school when they're 16.

    In both cases, neither are ready for the world. In today's world, an 18 year old is not even ready for the world. By how young people are acting today(which isn't entirely their fault, considering the opportunities available), most 22+ year olds are not ready for the world.

    This being the case, the young people who got interested in things became thus because they were introduced to things. Kids get interested in science that go to museums. Kids get interested in nature that goes to zoos, aquariums, gardens. Explore the world together and you'll see interests emerge, as it's the natural route. Explore the world, together, because both of you are still growing. Student learns from the teacher, and in turn, the teacher also learns.

    Kids who are not interested in learning or exploring are being guided by forces other than the family. Watch this carefully.

    Kids who are not interested in learning or exploring might be depressed themselves, which is to be expected in today's world. Unless young people have a ton of money themselves, AND the freedom to cultivate, the only outlets are consumption. Creating something is too expensive and it's difficult to overcome barriers of entry today, which is why so many come to BHW to level the playing field those in charge insist on keeping uneven.

    Your son isn't slow; he's in unconscious, existential protest. If he were to work his ass off, what would it be for? A mortgage? A job he needs the weekends to relax from that he might lose at the drop of a shareholder's hat? A wife who might leave? Children who might hate him if he cannot provide for them how they demand? He is realistically looking at the world and saying, "lol omg, you guys fix that shit you broke, and I'll participate when my labor won't abused or wasted on something meaningless."
     
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  18. lakim0

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    I can write a very long post about this case, although I'm 20 myself.

    He's only 17, there would be no point in getting him into money making scheme at this age, unless he doesn't love it. I'm not a father yet but I think that for 17 kid the most important thing is education, not specific, just random education.

    I would find out what he loves most and make him focus on it, your role as a father is to get him on the right path, in my ideal world that path contains financial freedom with all the necessities and that leads to money, yeah, it's one of the most important factor in everyone's life.

    On the other hand, he doesn't have to become an entrepreneur to support himself and his family in the future, don't be like "Go read BHW kid", just explain how great online business is and what kind of lifestyle it may lead to. You're an IMer urself, you know what I mean.

    Oh, and one more important thing, don't make him go to college, unless he wants himself, I'm suffering myself right now, wasting 5-6 hrs daily which I could use with 10x more profit. You should do this if he will take Internet Marketing seriously, but if he doesn't, let him learn anything he wants at college. You know what parents say these days about real jobs and shit like that, I would never want my son to work for a 9-5 job if he has talent / will to do online business.

    In other words, I would explain to him what IM is all about and ask what he's thinking. There's nothing weird about this (if someone thought that child must make decisions on his / her own), I wish someone could help me with that and I didn't have to waste 4 years on a shitty paper called degree...

    I've been thinking about things like that for years now and know that it's the most important decision to make, what to do with your life... and ofc a parent must help you.

    I pity the kids who have unconscious parents, still willing their kids to work for government, well, 95% is trapped in it, so no offence to parents )

    Sit down, settle things, explain everything to him, say that you want him to take on IM, not because he has to, just because this lifestyle is so much better, if he's a smart kid, he will have no problems.... blah blah blah it's already a long read, I would focus on his education (if he doesn't approve IM world lol).

    I may sound like WF guru, but now that I've experienced toughness of life on myself, I wish I knew about this business in my early years...

    Oh and yes, it was mentioned above, tell him to watch these movies :

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454921/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/

    First one shows how anyone can succeed in life (very motivational) and the other one, it's all about online business and our beloved Facebook, it'll get him interested.

    The last thing I would want for my kid is to be a slave in this freakin' government system, watch this ))
     
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  19. Goal Line Technology

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    Although to be honest, as others have said, all you can do is try to foster and then ENCOURAGE the entrepreurial spirit,
    do not force him in to ANYTHING.

    I have a daughter of the similar age, and she is getting to realise the benefits of working for herself, and that the economy and the NATURE of jobs in the future
    are also developing rapidly. Continuing education is a good benchmark from which they can develop and articulate their own prospects for the future.

    Nurture those creative juices once he shows a willingness to understand, but never force it!!!

    (Oh, and by the way, NEVER self-deprecate yourself about being "I may not have been the best Father" etc...
    Fact is, YOU have been the best father to him, given the circumstances you have been in (for whatever reasons)
    and you need to show him that self confidence WILL get results for him ~ lead by example,
    emphasize the positves of what you have acheived, not what you "could" or "should" have done better, or differently)


    All the best to you and him. :)
    Good Luck
     
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  20. BadyBoySEO

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    Channel what he already is interested in and make suggestions. If he is decent at graphic work there are plenty of opportunities out there for freelance stuff. I'm a bit older than your son but make some suggestions and maybe show some examples of what other people doing and just point him the right direction. Trying to direct or push towards one thing probably isn't the best idea.

    My best advice for you is to just make some small suggestions and point out stuff you might suit him. As with all things do with internet marketing/freelancing it is only worth doing something your interested in IMO.
     
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