So I'm starting to realize that a lot of the money making methods that are promoted or posted about a lot are really bullshit and a waste of time to chase. Shit like youtube promoting, MOST facebook promoting, i dont know there are a lot more, most craigslist stuff. I mean, every single e book I've read has all these same methods in it, and people, its pretty obvious that if they were really that good, they wouldnt be giving it away. So I'm starting to realize that I need to figure out how to do this shit completely on my own and come up with ways to make money. that seems like the best way. yeah im still kinda 'noob' i guess. i havent made a single dollar in the online world, but ive been around this stuff for a while and i have made attempts. i made attempts in youtube, about to give facebook a try, but im just starting to realize that there is nothing really out there or on this forum that will really tell u how to make money because the good stuff wont be on here. the only good thing ive read was on my cpa network in the chat that seems promising, but who knows, everything i read now i feel like its bullshit. like i just read this free e book that links to this dudes site, and he uses the exact tactics in his ebook to make money off you. its that guy with the 2010 finale ebook talking about building trust with your clients, go to his blog, and see he's promoting bullshit offers to 'make money'. i dont know, this is a rant, and i know people are gonna say, ur just not doing it right or whatever, but you cant lie that these methods are over saturated and its really difficult to make a lot of money from it and that the best 'methods' are the ones arent talked about here at all. this website is a good resource i think for finding what you need, but methods of making money i dont think are that good. we gotta think of this stuff on our own. if anyone wants to brainstorm in ways to make money online, feel free to send me an AIM at scibergangster. peace.