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All hopes lost on BHW marketplace and the sellers there.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by LaidbackLad, Apr 19, 2016.

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  1. LaidbackLad

    LaidbackLad Newbie

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    I have not lost hope on IM yet. Just the sellers on the marketplace. I request all IM experts to please read this fully before you start bashing me.

    I have ordered three services from three reputed sellers (all with good reviews) since I joined this site. I didn't have a big budget to begin with nor could I afford to buy the most expensive services. So, I spent some time reading through the reviews on their sales thread. Asked them a few questions before I paid them for their services. Everything seemed promising. EXCEPT, not one seller delivered the complete work let alone proper work.

    I don't know what to do. I lost around $9 - $10 so far. What's more annoying is the people who claimed to be "expert native content writers" couldn't even write a proper paragraph without reusing the same words over and over again.

    Are all the sellers like this? Any suggestions on how to proceed further are much appreciated.
     
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  2. abhi007

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    Well what can you say, they might be re-sellers you know :)

    Why don't you expose them on this thread?
     
  3. RuthSam

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    You may open a thread on the Shitlist if they cheated you. That's sometimes very helpful to get things sorted out.

    Be aware of that some of the sellers there indeed are just amateurs even the reviews are not true.
     
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    Yes, I would say that applies to about 90% of the sellers here.

    So, you've lost $9-10? Big deal. That's nothing. I've lost count how much money I've unintentionally 'wasted' on BST's here than have either done nothing or thrown my site back a good few places. But, it's all part of the learning process. If you think buying a few packages here and there will throw your site to the top of the serps OR that you're going to complain over a measly few bucks when things don't pan out, then I've got some bad news for you. IM is hard and there are no guarantees. Yes, it sucks that you feel you got shafted by some 'reputable' members here, but you get what you pay for. If I were you, I'd put IM on the back-burner until you have some more capital behind you so you can take things more seriously and not have to suffer lousy content/service providers. I'd also contact the sellers here and tell them you're not happy and/or open a ShitList thread if you don't feel the seller delivered on what was advertised.

    Oh and from this point on, take the term 'expert native content writers' with a HUGE grain of salt.
     
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  5. Peter Ngo

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    Order 3 services and lost 9-10$, that means each service cost 3-4$??? :|

    Seriously dude what did you expect?
     
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  6. LaidbackLad

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    You sure that's a good thing to do? Won't that get me a bad rep for being a rat?
     
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    What exactly do you need done, I would possibly do it for you (no fee) but like anything, there are good and bad. I definitely disagree with classifying the marketplace as bad though based on your situation
     
  8. LaidbackLad

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    I'm not classifying the marketplace as bad. I'm just classifying "my experience" with the marketplace as bad.

    And for what I need, I thought of getting started with micro niche sites. They didn't provide that. I asked them for a refund. Decided to get content written. It was full of repetitive cr*p. So, it would be amazing if you can suggest a good content provider.
     
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  9. LaidbackLad

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    I think you are supposed to shitlist someone only when you get scammed. They stated they don't do refunds clearly before I made the purchase. I was guaranteed unlimited revisions. But you only get cr*p spinning cr*p, so I didn't bother with that.

    $9 to $10 might not be a great deal to you. But it is to me. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

    Sorry. I forgot to mention this. $9 to $10 after refund and PayPal fees. Like I said, I don't have a big budget to begin with. I hope to make do with what I have.
     
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    Welcome to IM, you win some you lose some, but you always learn
     
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  11. Peter Ngo

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    If you are not having big budget then i don't suggest the outsourcing route, it will take a lot of time and money to test.

    You will need at least $400-500 to fully outsource a successful campaign, but there are always ways around stuffs if you keep digging.
     
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    Other than content writing services, what other types of services did you order?

    The problem with most (not all) of the "expert native content writers" here is that they're not going to put the extra effort into doing what's necessary to create a great piece of content. But then again, most of them are offering these services dirt cheap, so I wouldn't expect them to go through that kind of effort for peanuts in the first place.

    Personally, this is what I would do if I offered a content writing service, so I would expect the same if I ordered one:

    • Research the target audience.
    • Make a clear and logical decision on which spelling and grammar (e.g., American, British, Canadian, et cetera) to use.
    • Write in a tone that would appeal to the target audience.
    • Proofread the text multiple times.
    • Use transitions between paragraphs.
    • Write at an appropriate length.
     
  13. LaidbackLad

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    Okay, so here's the whole story. I wanted to get started with micro niche sites. I ordered one from a seller here. They provided the site to me way beyond the specified TAT. But the quality of the content and the site design was horrible. I had to request them for a refund. But I asked if I can keep just the keyword for a small amount. They agreed. Since I'm new here, don't have a big budget and don't have much experience in outsourcing, I had to go for cheaper content providers. Of the five people I paid, two didn't provide any content till now. Three provided absolute garbage.
     
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    luke mate, the unfortunate reality is that English as a first language speaker, couldn't live by running services at that cost, so in all likely hood, they were not English speakers. (plus I have never referred to myself as 'native' have you)

    now please don't assume I am saying that all foreign services are garbage, that is not the case, what I am saying is that you have to look beyond the hype and see if it is exactly what you want.

    now if the sums you speak of are large to you, then shitlist the seller, there is no shame in that.

    for you as an individual and where to go from here. I would start reading. do a project manually and take your time. you can do anything the sellers here claim to do and will be a better person at the end of it. get that project making money, work through it logically and you will soon find you can repeat the process time and again. you will have created a skill set that is an asset for the future.

    we have all been burned in the past, and 90% of the people here will support you in that, it aint nice, even if the sums in some cases are different. none of us like scammers, or crooked sellers. it pisses me off big time.
     
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    If the service you received wasn't as promised, then you should shitlist it. That's the benchmark. We're carrying out more stringent reviews and tightening up on promises over the last year so if something's borderline, you should see a mod review mentioning something like the english content wasn't quite "high quality" in their subjective opinion so you can make an educated guess.

    This is mainly the newer services and reviews - there are some older ones that may be less accurate but we're implementing new processes to avoid this. Also, we're human and things may slip through the gaps but ultimately, if you didn't receive the service you paid for on the basis of the sales copy, then you have a right to request a refund. Regardless of what the seller's "refund policy" is.
     
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    Bad rep for honesty?

    When did that happen on this forum?
     
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    OP you are not going to see any result with $9 to $10 services. If you cant afford costly service , Read SEO tuts and do it yourself.
     
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    A bad rep for ratting someone out... Yo, the streets of Black Hat World ain't no joke!
     
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    Lesson learnt: You get what you pay for. Thanks, all.
     
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    I didn't get it. Did you buy just articles or some articles and some backlinks all for $9?
    To be honest, when I joined BHW many years ago. I was going for the $5 to $20 services and after 6 months of penalties and total failure. I come to the understanding that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

    As well as content writing here. I have tested a few of them, and most don't know sh_t about writing. Good thing is, we still have good writers here.

    Welcome to BHW and don't give up on IM.
     
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