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Alibaba Is there a safe way

Discussion in 'Dropshipping & Wholesale Hookups' started by kevin09, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. kevin09

    kevin09 Junior Member

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    Hi I have been making some good money dropshipping. I want to purchase from alibaba but all they offer for payments is West Union and Bank wires? Is there anyway I can do this more safely ? I been skeptical about it . Guys I could really use some input thanks
     
  2. graphicnut

    graphicnut Supreme Member

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    Alibaba is safe but you have to do your research. Most electronic stuff is either fake or they wont send but anything else is good to go. Trust me i've dealt with Alibaba 100's of times.
     
  3. aftershock2020

    aftershock2020 Senior Member

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    Don't use them. They are rippoff artists and will take you to the cleaners. That's why they use those payment services, so you can't do a chargeback if they screw you.

    PM me and I'll tell you about an insainly better option.


     
  4. kevin09

    kevin09 Junior Member

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    OKay thanks. Well I'm selling cell phones. An im might be dealing with a seller in the Usa. There shouldnt be any reason why he couldnt do payfal right ?
     
  5. graphicnut

    graphicnut Supreme Member

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    aftershock, it's people liek you who give Alibaba a bad name. YES there are scammers on Alibaba just like anywhere else online like Ebay etc etc. You have to be careful and do your research. YES they are there and will be targetting the popular electronics, use your nogging, get someone to visit them over there, get a rep, do your fcuking research which no bugger here seems to do!!! christ, i think every post gets me angry coz the replys are so new
     
  6. aftershock2020

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    Don't get harsh on me because I disagree with you. as far as your personal anger issues, it is a mute point, no one cares.

    As for alibaba, they don't have any supplier research or confirmation plan, as anyone can promote products with them. They only use wire and bank transfers so that they can't be charged a chargeback for their vendors sending out fake crap or not delivering at all.

    Because wired transactions are filed as " cash " transactions, they are very complicated to get back, even with a receipt to prove you sent it.

    You need to chill out and back that PMS session of your's off my door step and research them yourself. If you're really doing business with them and do well, congrats, that's great for you. I haven't dealt with them and never will because the " research " about them states that they are not a reliable company, therefore, I will not risk my time, money or most importantly, my clients loss if they screw it up by not screening their vendors in the first place.

    Sure, there are fakes and scams everywhere, it's the way of the world but it is a very immature manner of thinking to accept it as the norm and use a service that you know supports it in their lack of providing a secure service with the effort of a simple vendor verification process to protect their clients on the front end from ever having to face these issues more than they must.

    That is just bad business.

    We'll agree to disagree and overlook your time of the month, how's that?



     
  7. cnwelf

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    alibaba.com is good place to buy fake goods.you can find fake ipod .fake mp3.fake mp4....so just buy fake goods here.if you didnot want to buy fake one.just leave them alone
     
  8. goldengod420

    goldengod420 Newbie

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    There is a safe way to use Alibaba. They are not all scammers. They are not all selling knockoffs(although if something is branded, assume it is not real). They are a great place to get cheap unbranded electronics, but also a ton of other stuff. If you want to be safe, research, research, research. Read up on protecting yourself. There are people located in China who will visit, verify, and even oversee your purchases acting as an agent for you. The prices are very reasonable for many of them and if you research, you can find some that have very good reputations and many satisfied customers. As for payment, there are more options than just wire transfer or western union. If these are your only options, then be wary. I personally only deal with people who do a number of things for me. First, they allow me to make an initially small purchase and work my way up. Second, they provide me with references in the United States. I want people I can talk to from here that can verify that they will get me the product as they claim. Third, I always call all of the phone numbers that they provide me. Scammers love to use fake numbers as a way to make themselves look legit hoping people from the US won't call. I also like to look at addresses. Sometimes, they are really sloppy and have Nigeria and China addresses listed together. Obviously, this is a scam. Next, I always make sure they offer me alternative methods of payment. If you talk to them, they will usually make some sort of effort to help you out. As for the safest payment methods, I would recommend either using an escrow service(although in my experience, this has been difficult to get them to go with as they are worried about getting scammed themselves) or obtaining a line of credit from the bank. I would suggest that you make your initial purchases small until you build up a trust with the company. Now it depends on what you are buying, but say you are buying a cheap electronic item for $10. What I would do is make the initial order for say 50-100. At this point, you do run a risk of losing your money. That is why I suggest keeping it in a range that if you lose your money, it won't cripple you. I usually do all my research and then send the money via a wire. Most of these places don't want to go through the hassle of the other payment methods for an order that small. However, after a few orders of increasing size, I usually jump up to a higher quantity and also tell them that I need to use a line of credit for my payment method. Research your payment methods and international business topics. You will find out a lot. Using everything I have done, I have never been scammed once on Alibaba and I have used many different suppliers. I have come close to getting scammed, but I always did my research. Also, if it sounds too good to be true on there, it is. That especially goes for any name brand product. Anyway, there is just a little something about importing. It is all about the research. Good luck.
     
  9. graphicnut

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    aftershock, there is actualy a reason half of them only accept wire transfer and wester union . Obviously havn't done your research again?
     
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    Contact with some guys who are dealing with alibaba so you can make sure you are not losing any money
     
  11. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    Whats this have to do with BlackHat?
     
  12. graphicnut

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    blackxxxxer, so every converstaion has to be blackhat related? ? ?
     
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    hicosy Newbie

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    you can pay them 30% with paypal, others with WU is ok. but i used paypal all the way.
     
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    i siggest u use dhgate instead of alibaba.
     
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    yes, i have used dhgate for a very long time, pick ones with good feedback also just like ebay.
     
  16. calm

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    I have contemplated alibaba myself.
    Does trustpass factor in this equation?
     
  17. creztor

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    Most of the suppliers on Alibaba will only take T/T or Western Union for payment. You may get lucky and find a few who are willing to accept paypal, but this will be the exception and not the rule. There is nothing wrong with Alibaba. The biggest problem you can expect to find is that the quality or product isn't exactly what you thought you were buying. Unless you have been recommended to a supplier from someone else, the only way you can find out about their quality is to do a small order and test. Don't be a tight arse and push for the lowest price, always remember about quality and their return policy. I used to buy from Alibaba about 4 years ago and once you find a supplier who gives you good product at a reasonable price, stick with them. Every time I went and looked for someone else with a lower price, I got burnt. Do your homework, try small orders first by finding out what their minimum quantity is and take things one step at a time.
     
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    What I've found from my experience is you have to be careful with any b2b site like alibaba. Just because some of the merchants have a gold status does not mean they are reliable. Really there are only a few things to watch out for, the main one being that you cannot get name brand products like apple cheaper in China, of course unless it's done through illegal methods.

    Here's a site that might help you out as they provide a free service where they will verify whether the company is a scam or not :)

    Code:
    http://migchina.com/business-forum/index.php
     
  19. aftershock2020

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    As for then using those outlets, it is primarily because they aren't in the U.S. and want the money to go directly through to the bank...again under that, would fall the same issues that I previously stated as an alternative result...their being able to dispute chargebacks and fun things like that which they are known for doing.

    As for their products, I've had a research study done on them and they are absolutelly horrid for checking their product suppliers and making sure they are even functional standards muchless the real brands claimed.


    For those serious about the threat topic...Alibaba is a fake brands dealer and just because I haven't done business with them doesn't mean they haven't been tested and studied. If you want to deal with fake brands, thats cool...just do the math on your own.

    Pros:

    They are cheap and easy to access.

    Cons:

    They don't honor their customers with refunds, only paying if the supplier " decides " to return the money and honor the product.

    They have ZERO product supplier varification processing to insure the product will be delivered and is infact even real.

    The support knock-off dealers which infact do illegally claim a brandname product which they have no intention of producing.

    The do not honor not protect their customers from suppliers failed deliveries.

    ________

    I do completely understand this is a blackhat forum and everything doesn't have to be on the up and up but, the fact of the matter is bad business is just bad business...this is it in a nutshell.



     
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    eidyggidogon Newbie

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    I agree that DH Gate is a better option. I've never bought anything from Alibaba but have heard all the stories. I have found sellers on there that I felt comfortable doing business with, but they didn't involve electronics. As somebody says you have to research the shit out of it, ask a lot of questions, then research some more. DH Gate is good, but it seems like Alibaba has a lot more sellers and could be a gold mine if you found some legit sellers.