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Aids has been cured,but little talk of it

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Roparadise, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    Why do so many groups and news articles keep saying there's no cure to aids,when it was cured about 6 years ago? One guy with aids,had a bone marrow transplant to treat his leukemia, and the doctor matched him with a person that had a natural immunity to HIV. Because of the bone marrow transplant,his DNA was modified to have the gene that makes people immune to hiv.

    I don't get way all the end aids groups don't accept this and focus on making this cure more easily available,so that people with HIV can have their DNA modified to have the gene.
     
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    Where did you read about this exactly?
     
  3. Roparadise

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    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-06/news/30012595_1_bone-marrow-transplant-hiv-infection-ccr5
     
  4. monkid

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    I guess he is talking about this story.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387837/Berlin-Patient-Timothy-Ray-Brown-cured-AIDS-getting-bone-marrow-transplant-donor-HIV-immune-gene.html
     
  5. meatro

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    Um.. Because it is a bone marrow transplant.

    It's not a synthetic drug that they can manufacture in high numbers and make readily available. It's a transplant from a very unique person who has special mutations to a specific protein.

    There is something like 30-40 MILLION people with HIV/AIDS. A bone marrow transplant is not a realistic solution for nearly all of them.. It's an expensive, painful, time consuming process.

    In the meantime, they have medications which will keep the virus at bay. Here in America, that's all the medical establishments here want is TREATMENT. Look at our long standing history (or lack thereof) of cures vs. treatments. I will cover the basics of American medicine for you...

    Treatment...
    1.) It's like a subscription, they get to bill you monthly for your meds.
    2.) If you ever stop, you will most likely die.
    3.) It's never 'cured,' which opens the doors for regular checkup$, exam$, etc$.

    Cure...
    1.) You get it once and you never need it again. Should you price this to offset a lifetime of treatment, it will not be accessible to most anybody.

    So, from a business standpoint; which would you choose? The one that keeps your "customers" coming back regularly to refill their $200 prescription (and if they ever stop, you get to cancel their subscription to life.) Or the one that you perform the procedure and they will never be back.

    It's fucked up that this is the way American medicine operates, but it's the truth. Our politicians, doctors and hospitals would rather have you die or undergo "treatment" for the rest of your life than to help you [cure it].

    There's been a fight going on for quite a while now about the healthcare of Americans and how our well being is entirely dependent on income. You know how many elderly people have to continue working, basically until they die, to be able to afford their medicine? How many people go untreated because billing is the first person to talk to you in just about any medical building?

    It makes me sick, America's health care INDUSTRY. (You know it's a problem when it's a fucking industry... And you sick bitches that disagree with me.......

    Why is it not the Police INDUSTRY? Or the Fire INDUSTRY? Imagine calling 9-1-1 because your house is being robbed or burning to the ground and the operator's first question is regarding billing?

    Fire truck: $1,600
    6 Firemen: $340/hour
    Water Use: $.05/gal
    3 Police Cars: $1,800
    3 Policemen: $150/hour

    You want them to chase a burglar? That's an extra $400. If you get your stuff back, there's a $200 fee. If they make an arrest, that's $300 to cover paperwork/processing.

    How come these don't work that way? Or schools?... Only hospitals and doctors??

    Give me a break, it should be a public service and everybody knows it (including every, single developed nation aside from the US.) Saying anything otherwise, I don't want to hear it unless you're speaking truthfully: "I disagree, believe health care should be ONLY private and wholeheartedly believe that underprivileged sick children deserve to die because of their parents' or other person's level of income." Just say it.
     
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  6. brildo4

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    That is a very accurate, logical, and sickening response.

    Even though I hate to agree with you because deep down I feel like we are all humans and need to help each other out. Its the truth. Puts a lot of stuff into perspective.
     
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    Hey, that's exactly how I feel and why my opinions on healthcare are the way they are. We are humans.

    I have a liver, just like you and every other human. I also have kidneys, large intestines and lungs. I believe that every person should be available to utilize whatever level of medical treatment our society is capable of.

    The part that makes me very, very angry.. Is that our society "sandbags" medical development and will quickly make illegal any practice that goes against their traditions of exploiting Americans and their health for money. It's a sick and twisted business that NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE FOCUS ON OR ARE INFORMED ABOUT.

    I am not a big Michael Moore fan, but Sicko is a great movie on the topic.. And before anybody rebuts that, I don't want to hear your stupid shit about "Go ask a Canadian or Brit how hard it is to get medical attention..."

    Yeah? Fuck you, go ask a homeless kid how easy it is to die of hypothermia under a bridge, you bitch. I hope you get incurable cancer and slowly drown on your own phlegm, you sick fuck.
     
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    meatro is right on it.. its sad but that is the reality of the world we live in. you can sing all you want to make the world a better place but thats a lost cause . it will always be a fuckd up place where you just have to chin up and deal with the system since you really have no choice.

    even the so called not for profit organizations would not do enough to make this a bigger news..

    i am sure you have read of articles here and there that claim solutions to big issues in leading news papers .. but then they disappear.. you never hear about those reports or "new findings" ever again.
    some common topics are cure for diseases and alternate fuel but then either someone shuts his research down or pays the newspaper agency to not talk abt it so people dont get to know lol =/

    *im done whining today *
     
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    Do some research about "Bob Beck Protocol". You will see since when cancer and aids has been cured.

    Put this in google and whatch the video:

    "Dr Bob Beck video - lecture on curing cancer and HIV with microcurrents!"
     
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    Let me not get started on this subject. Well, fuck it!

    HIV is real but AIDS isn't. The drug used to treat HIV causes AIDS. That's why you don't here of this being a cure.
     
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    As a Brit I gotta say the majority of us love the NHS. It's not perfect, it certainly suffers from mismanagement, but its for the people and I don't want a certain group of cunts to privatise it on the sly. I know a lot of people like to have a pop at America over all sorts of things (tbh I think it's a lazy way of trying to seem politically aware) and I'm not one for that (there are criticisms to be made of all nations) but I have to agree that the Healthcare over there seems from an outsider to be an absolute disgrace.
     
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    "I disagree, I believe everything should be ONLY private"

    No, they don't have to. The state could fund them if it wanted to - guess what, it doesn't. Having private institutions does not mean the state can't choose to support with money the less privileged citizens in order to cover their health expenses.

    Which gets us to the million dollar question: If your state isn't now willing to fund low income patients to get great treatment, do you think it will spend enough money in the future to create and support great public health institutions? Think about it.
     
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    It is old news.

    the problem is that to find a match for a donor... the odds are astronomical.

    so it is really not a cure.
    they just transferred the immunity from a resistant subject to an vulnerable subject.

    They are still studing what constitutes the resistance.

    I know people say it is about making money... but that is wrong.
    The company that makes the cure... will be the next billion dollar giant.

    I know... I use to do research in creating a vaccine for lyme disease.

    it's just that things are not that easy.
     
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    That's a special story, but as impractical as anything, now isn't it? The problem with healthcare being private is not that less privileged do not have access... It's that "less privileged" in private medicine means less than $250K/year. Get real.

    States can hardly afford to cover disaster relief for affected areas, let alone the medical prices of every one of their citizens. Why? Because private medicine is retardedly expensive and these places basically get to make up numbers and charge that.

    "How much for this operation?" --- "Huh? Oh, I dunno... Does $600K seem fair?" No.

    Privatizing everything does not work and you know it does not work. As I said, "9-1-1, is this going to be cash or charge?" Let that happen for 1 hour in the USA and watch your plans for privatizing everything go kaput in that hour.

    I understand privatizing MOST things and I agree with that. I agree that Microsoft should be able to make their money, I agree that you and I should be given the opportunity to go out and do the same if we're capable.

    However, when you start messing with shit that CONTROLS people's lives, safety, fear, education and stuff like that.. You know, basic things that shape us as human beings.... You cannot put a price on that, and thinking that you can is ridiculous, isn't it?

    Private schools, private fire departments, private cops, private healthcare... We would live in a smoldering criminal state where nobody could read past the 2nd grade. Not that they'd need to, they wouldn't live past 9 years old.
     
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    funny.. and here in this beloved country of mine north of singapore, where you only need to pay 30dime to be accessible to the government public health, many of the citizens went to PRIVATE hospitals that charge a dollar on every breath you take in their facilities... of course the public service is something that need upgrading but hey, its 30dime for God's sake!
     
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    The more people get transplants.. The more aids resistant individuals.
     
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    @meatro:

    If your objection is the price, we can agree on that - and then discuss WHY it is high.

    But I think you are confusing one thing - there is nothing without cost in this world. Even if someone comes and fills your car with gas everyday and you pay nothing, someone pays for that gas and the delivery.

    When you say, we can't put a price on health, guess what - it already has a price. Doctors, equipment, buildings etc. require money to acquire and support.

    Two are the issues of importance
    • How to minimize cost while keeping the same standards of service
    • What 's a fair way to split the tab among the people - remember the state has no money of its own, it has to take it from the economy -> the people.

    Now, in this setting, we can argue weather the state control model or the private sector model answers better the above questions. It 's a long discussion and of course we don't have to agree. My point is, don't look at it sentimentally, look at it with utmost responsibility. As if you were a wise king and you cared for your subjects (but even wise kings have limited resources)
     
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    My objections are not only price, but regulations as to pricing. In which case, what are they?

    Who is "making up" these numbers? Because, while I understand that hospitals and other medical buildings of course cost money... Doctors cost money... Nurses cost money... Technology costs money...

    Know what else costs money? Police departments, fire departments, schools, officers, firemen and teachers, too. Plus police cars, fire trucks, fire hoses, guns and everything else used by these places.

    Let's say I find you in a dark alley, pull a gun out and rob you for everything you're worth. Know what's probably going to happen? You're going to call 911 (free), get an officer FAST (free), file a report (free) and several officers efforts will be put towards finding me (....for free.) Same scenario if you burn your house down, how many people have received a bill from the fire dept?

    Big, fat zero. That's how many.

    Like yourself, I also look at it from the perspective of my own personal ant farm. If my people need protection from crime or fire, that's something that they depend on. Their well being depends on and most importantly (to me, as leader).. Their productivity depends on. If there's a group of serial killers on the loose and I have private crime fighting in place, basically telling my people... "Eh, whatever, dude. Deal with it. You can't afford the police?" That's a terrible thing and many are probably not going to be productive.

    Now, on the other hand.. If I have a public crime fighting service, that say, everybody chips in.. Because really, everybody depends on them, then people are not going to worry about the "police bill."

    Where the money comes from... Of course is from tax payers, just like any other public service. And the viewpoint of "well, I shouldn't have to chip in for YOUR health care" is retarded. If you think that, imagine how I feel having to "chip in" for your kids' schools, or "chip in" because YOUR house burnt down and you can't afford a fire truck of your own... Or how I have to "chip in" because YOU don't like driving on pot holes... I don't mind pot holes, neither should you.

    That's the mentality of people against public health care. And while, again, I understand where you're coming from.. Privatizing everything is not a solution or even a logical answer to a very serious question. I, for one, am not comfortable depending on an anarchist state to provide anything. Privatizing everything will quickly make for just that, we'll be back in the 1800s when 15 different fire crews show up to put your house out and get side tracked fighting over WHO is going to get paid for it.

    These are, like I said, services that LIVES DEPEND ON. So it's not a sympathetic viewpoint that I have, it's a very sensible and logical one. Sure there is low income, public health care in place already, go get them to get rid of your cancer. Have them transplant a kidney. With them, you're basically limited to a root canal. And I'm not talking about silly public covered health care needs like that nonsense, I'm talking about treatments and procedures that COST A FORTUNE ONLY IN AMERICA FOR SOME ODD REASON, HMM.. COULD IT BE BECAUSE HEALTH CARE IS PRIVATIZED?

    Go to England...
    "How much is that prescription?" - "£1.95"
    Go to Cuba...
    "How much is that prescription?" - $3
    Come to America...
    "How much is that same prescription?" - $293.99

    That's what happens when you privatize health care, it's been going on long enough and it needs to be fixed. I understand that these things have prices, I really do. But when you look at it from THIS perspective................... C'mon, dude. Somebody up there is just making up numbers! AND YOU KNOW IT! Otherwise, explain the 10,000% price increase of America vs. ANY OTHER PLACE ON THE PLANET!

    And while we may agree that the price is the problem, I think our solutions are highly different. My main problem isn't even the pricing, it's that they're using LIVES as their comeback. You come and pay us, or you die. Simple solution, bitch; pay us. You do not privatize ESSENTIALS like this. Sure, you can have a mixed bag. You want your doctor? Go to your doctor. Just like you don't have to call the police, you can call a PI, you can call a security company..

    But what happens when you need a lung removed? Is your local clinic going to help you out with that? No. Sounds like you have one option to me, private medicine. But guess what, you need a lung removed, so you're not eligible for insurance. Oh guess what else, you don't have insurance? Well, then just die already.

    Fast food is privatized. If I do not want McDonald's, I can go somewhere else.
    Gasoline is privatized. If I do not want Shell, I can go to Chevron.
    Health care is privatized. If I do not want health care, I can die.

    Remember Sesame Street? One of these things is not like the others.... You cannot privatize everything, that's just silly.
     
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  19. Roparadise

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    The problem is that there are way to many middle men in the healthcare industry,not it being privatized. But lets say an insurance company decides to buy up some small pharma companies,some hospitals and medical schools. the Federal government would break them up for being a monopoly.
     
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    Im with meatro, why cure when you can treat for a lifetime?

    So much corruption and YES it is corrupt to be able to cure but not provide it and before going on about matching donors I want point to genetic engineering, stem cells and cloning. To me it is a stretch to say the just ONE donors immunity could not be reproduced.

    Behold the blue strawberry, bio engineered to withstand freezing temperatures by taking a gene from a fish and putting it into the strawberry.....


    Code:
    http://strawberryblu.com/2011/08/21/so-whats-with-the-blue-strawberry/