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Advice needed... Is it legal or just plain blackmail?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by M1ndfluX, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. M1ndfluX

    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Hey all.


    So i have a car rental client in the states for who i did seo work couple of months ago.
    Results are ok, client is now lower page one for the phrase *car rental theirtown* coming from page 5+.

    Made a deal for a couple of k and now is the time for a 'monthly package'.

    He paid half upfront bi weekly and we agreed that when he would hit page one i get the other half.

    Now the f*cker tells me to go f*ck myself, and changed ftp passes etc.

    Ok so what i am planning to do is make a reviewsite about his company that will outrank him for sure with some bad rep. Only thing is that i want double the cash he still owes me before i move/change that page.

    First i want to give him a last chance to pay me the other half of the deal within 3 days, with the above message.

    Since i am from the Netherlands i am not sure about the legal way of this in the US.

    Can anyone shed a light on this one?


    Thanks!
     
  2. Hostwinds

    Hostwinds Power Member UnGagged Attendee Enterprise Member

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    Does that fact that it is unethical not matter to you at all??

    All you have in this world is your reputation, and you can't put a price on it
     
  3. M1ndfluX

    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Hold on bro... We made a agreement that when he would hit page one i get the other half. Whats not to like about my work. He is now on page one. Im pretty sure he gets more work from that.

    What about his ethics...

    Sure i have ethics, but not with assholes who are trying to f*ck me from behind...

    EDIT: AIt you changed your post, just saying ;)
     
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  4. mohitjmehta

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    shit happens bro ...
    just mail him and asks for rest of payment ,tell him rank will not be steady in future,he needs your help for sure..also tell him if he wont pay you you will do free seo services for his competitors .still if he wont pay you move on ...
    don't waste time & money to create and rank review site etc ..just think that you did charity
     
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  5. M1ndfluX

    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Thanks for your reply.

    Yeah well i kinda passed that stage. With all due respect you say that i would waste my time for a review site but on the other hand you advice me to do seo work for a page of his competitors. Doesnt make too much sense :D

    Well in the world i live in the only thing that comes for free in these situations is the sun lol.

    Nice sig btw. So true...
     
  6. SdkulkarniB

    SdkulkarniB Registered Member

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    Hey bro ! Some advice for you , decrease his site's rank or completely sandbox it ! Sometime revenge is ethical in Business !:firedevil
     
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    Firstly, learn the lesson to always cya. When I work on client websites I install a script that allows me access to the website regardless of where it moves to or if passwords change. It is my insurance policy that I hope I never need to use. It's there for when clients think they suddenly out-smarted me.

    Secondly, before I invested work into a reputation website and ranking it, I'd let the company know I plan on posting my experience with their business on reputation websites which will be impossible to remove. These will remain permanent records of my transaction with them. These reputation websites rank highly in the search engines, blah blah blah. If they have any sense at all and truly feel they're taking advantage of you then they usually come around and do the right thing.

    If they ignore this advice then I'd post reviews of your experience on those websites and move on. Get records of this website with the word "scam" or "ripoff" so someone down the road searching for a review of this business can find your experience.

    When done then move on. Don't let a business cost you more money by wasting your time with negative work. I have a routine for such clients and it involves about an hour of my time and then I'm done. I can't allow them to cost me more than they stole from me. On the other hand, I feel an obligation to let others know of their poor business practice.

    Good luck.
     
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    midnight_focus Power Member

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    shit happens, and if you didn't sign a contract there is nothing you can do.
    building a review page and then asking for money to remove it is definitely blackmailing! yes the guy is absolutely wrong, but that shouldn't make you feel good about faking a review and ranking it higher, right?
    sign a contract next time or use escrow or something
     
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    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Hi kvmcable.


    Good advice. Yeah you are right.

    Have to think about this one but it sounds reasonable. Will wait the rest of the day and ill send him a email for at least the amount he owes me.

    Thanks
     
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    M1ndfluX Senior Member

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    Hi Midnight.


    Well my first plan was to send him a email about my plans first. And you know with contracts. What are their worth when i have a big ocean between me and my client.

    But i get your drift though ;)
     
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    FREE100KSECRET Newbie

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    Good advice,

    We have all learned hard lessons in business, and not being paid is a common issue, and sadly, although trust is great, in this economy you cannot rely on trust or ethics any longer. As to what I would do, simple, use RipOffReport and spell out your experience using facts, not slander, and say it like it is. Whenever his name comes up it will be below RipOffReport, and this is the kiss of death, love them or not, it is the best get even revenge there is in my opinion and have gotten paid many times on default agreements to write a retraction of resolution follow up.

    Good luck,
     
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  12. mohitjmehta

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    wot i mean is just mail him abt competitors free seo ,dont apply it really its just your try to get money from him
     
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    ibyrne Newbie

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    I would go the Ripoffreport route and let him know that you will be posting the details and everything on various sites that his customers will see when they search his name or business name so that he doesn't scam anymore people.
     
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    dont call it blackmailing. simply make a website in the same niche, rank it hire than his, and tell him he can buy you out.

    In fact, dont only rank one website above him. Rank a bunch of web 2.0's above him, than tell him he can buy the whole thing for 3 times as much or he can cry in the corner while you are dominating the niche.

    but is it worth the money? either way you have to work to benefit from this point on..

    btw its not your fault if you just so happen to enter the same niche as someone you worked for ^_^
    not blackmailing, coincidence xD