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ADVICE NEEDED - are PBN's still worth building in 2017?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by what44, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. what44

    what44 Regular Member

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    i ve prob wasted hours reading lots of "gurus" thoughts on PBN's. just about to build my first one with expired domains and real hand written content. not taking any short cuts on hosting, design or content.

    area im still unsure about is buyingthe correct expired domains and not ending up building a PBN on domains with tons of spam links... (or does it even matter anymore)
    questions:
    1 - are pbns still worth building to rank on page 1 of google?
    2 - is gsa SER still best to blast for links? or should i use both and/or ultimate demon?

    all advice/comments appreciated
     
  2. nakamura

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    GSA SER blast is an opportunity, but not for Tier 1. PBNs still can rank your site on google page 1 - it just takes longer than before and the google dance might be extreme.

    The real question is what alternative do you have for ranking on page 1?

    Whitehat SEO? Depends on your niche, but may take too long.
    Web 2.0? Not competitive with people using pbns.
    Spam? Maybe (!) can rank a Facebook page or YT video, but no money site.
    301 redirect? Can work, but depends on the domain, rankings etc. A strange not niche relevant domain won't rank you
    and so on.

    You see there are many ways, but which one is truly effective these days? I guess PBN is one of those which are the most effective and they will always be.
     
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    Unless you want to start emailing other websites in your niche for guest post opportunities you will have to start building a PBN. It takes longer but it is still there.
     
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    PBN's are dead, right?
    SEO is dead, right?
    Oh wait...

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    " i ve prob wasted hours reading lots of "gurus" thoughts on PBN's "

    What is your conclusion to this from what you've read ?

    There are the gurus who tell you these don't work, because they don't use them probably.
    You'll get the gurus who say they do as they want to sell you their products.

    My thoughts are yes they do work and will do so for a long time, provided you look after them.
     
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    PBNs work perfectly fine and will continue to do so if you won't be cutting corners. That's the bottom line.

    GSA works to some extent, but I honestly hope you are not planning to blast your PBN domains with it.
     
  9. fedez

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    THANK YOU! When I first got into this SEO game. I was told by the "gurus" CONTENT IS KING, remember that fad? back in 2014ish. CONTENT IS KING they all said harping out loud... well the naive newbie that I was I made a website in a niche and made roughly 25-30 pages of 1000+ words content, with pictures, videos, alt-tags, learned on page seo, etc... I put in a shit ton of work completely on my own and the results? Page 8 (at the best of it). I went to page 1 and saw FAR INFERIOR outdated content being ranked. So I came back here and wrote about it and what did they say here "only 25 pages? people publish 25 pages in one day here, you shouldn't come back until you've atleast posted 100 ARTICLES" this was coming from a guy who clearly already had massive capital and VAs churning out content for him.

    WELL did that advice help me? FUCK NO. What is the point here.... people have a lot of OPINIONS here, the truth is only case studies and experience can prove stuff for yourself. Never listen to the bullshit hype floating around about the latest "fads"... The outreach fad, the link wheel fad, the fucking keyword density fad. There is no ONE answer to why your site is ranking or not.

    I later made a small amazon niche site, with MUCH LESS content and ranked it on first page with a mere 5 pbn links. I repeated this with 3 more sites and started making a decent income. The truth is that you can only learn so much from online information. More than anything, this forum for me is just to get a rough estimation of what others are experiencing. But as fat as gleaning information on the direction of things its still very inadequate.

    None of us here KNOW what actually happens in google, my first batch of money sites were hit by manual penalty because of manual reporting by competitors. The best solution the only solution is to do split testing on a massive scale. Because actual ranking is affected by multiple factors.

    - Timing of content, content lenght, domain age, domain history, backlink metrics, trust flow, citation flow, domain authority, page authority, 301 redirects, anchor text, ctr, bounce rate, social shares, user engagement, referring domains, pop-ups... Many factors and the relationships between them are all taken into account. To try to reduce it to one metric or another, is just not accurate.

    Split testing is best, but it takes a long time because sometimes it may take up to 2 weeks for google to register any changes you make. Time is money, this is not an option for me. So I follow the guide from other authority sites already doing this. Case studies are the best, as well as MOZ guide etc. But reasearching your competitors keywords and trying to mirror that is still the most reliable way to rank now days. If you're not a large time player, you can forget the high competition and even medium competitive keywords now.
     
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  10. MikeyMikey13

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    Nah pbns are dead. GSA SER is dead.

    I don't think google even uses links as a ranking signal anymore:D
     
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    Has anyone tried GoPBN for hosting their networks?

    There sure is a lot of noise out there!
     
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    Sir, i can hear the sound and how loud u are fucking in the room when u type this... haha nice one though thanks for the sharing

    laughed on this part "... The outreach fad, the link wheel fad, the fucking keyword density fad. "

    Hahahahahahhaa
     
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    For my experience it depends on the niche and how big the competition is, in the local niche a few PBNs are working pretty well for me, especially to boost a site when its fairly new
     
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    1.. PBN may still work but I don't recommend it to serious marketers because it's NOT worth the risk. Google is working on this for a long time, and I have a feeling they are very close to a breakthrough.

    2.. I don't do blasting. This is NOT recommended at all. If you're working with a churn and burn model, you still can take the risk. Spam blasting is working for some of the niches but we don't know how long it will sustain.
     
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    Building a PBN is the second best thing next to getting links from actually legit websites from your niche. GSA is still awesome, but it makes absolutely no sense to send those links to your PBN or money site. Use it to boost your backlinks from other sources like Web2.0 etc.

    About PBNs/backlinks not working or SEO is dead in general.. well, lol. As long as links are major part of Google's algo, backlinks, SEO, PBNs will continue working fine.
     
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    Yes, PBN works perfectly fine. You must note the RD (Referring Domain) of your PBN (or offered by any service provider) instead of just going behind Domain Age (DA) while using these services.

    Please please please try to understand the importance of RD of PBN before you implement this service.

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
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    PBN still works and still effective in ranking if done correctly. But it's not a good idea to build GSA links to quality PBNs.
     
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    That's like asking if websites still work.
     
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    PBNs (if done properly) are the best things ever for SEO. You just have to make sure you dont expose yourself and maintain the PBN on the regular.
     
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    dont spoil him.. let him have some "fun" and use that tool and rank "hard keywords"