Advance cloakers, help me out. adverse effect on money site? other info needed

LeadInMarketing · Apr 25, 2014

I have an idea. I want to create a site, for amazon sales, adsense, whatever. This i will call the Money Site.... What i want to do is build churn and burn pages (this will be called Burners) that are expected to last maybe a month... I want to cloak the Burners so the users see my Money Site. Now I know this is primarily what cloacking is for. What I want to know is, if I run any ad networks or anything on my site and someone clicks a link that earns me a few pennies,- will the referrer be my Burner sites or will it be my Money Site?

Also. Cloaking my Burner sites to show my Money Site-- Will this have an adverse effect on my Money Site(seo/ranking wise).... Please only answer if you have real life experience. The reason i am asking is becuase I hear both... "google can now see straight through it".... and.... "cloacking is still alive and kicking and the engines will never know"..... Will this method hurt my rankings?

What cloackers are YOU using?

bartosimpsonio · Apr 26, 2014

It depends on how you cloak from the burners to the money site. If you 301 it to the money site, and the user clicks on the money site, you're relatively safe.

If you instead show the cloaked content from the money site directly on the burner sites and they click through, it'll raise suspicions.

(Also, when you ask for free advice, I recommend you not ask for "serious replies only" because a lot of senior members won't reply upon seeing that kind of demand from someone asking for help. Just read the replies and judge what's serious and what isn't.)

LeadInMarketing · Apr 28, 2014

bartosimpsonio said:
It depends on how you cloak from the burners to the money site. If you 301 it to the money site, and the user clicks on the money site, you're relatively safe.

If you instead show the cloaked content from the money site directly on the burner sites and they click through, it'll raise suspicions.

(Also, when you ask for free advice, I recommend you not ask for "serious replies only" because a lot of senior members won't reply upon seeing that kind of demand from someone asking for help. Just read the replies and judge what's serious and what isn't.)

I was waiting for your response. I see you're an active contributor, and ive checked out your service. I plan on making something with this churn and burn then cloak method..... And yes, you're right about being a little demanding. It's just (as you probably know) there's a lot of people that just repeat stuff that they've read without basing it on any experience. Hate that..... But thanx.

"If you 301 it to the money site, and the user clicks on the money site, you're relatively safe."

Site A = burner
Site B = doorway page?
Site C = money site

If I had ranked a burner(site A), cloaked it so the content will be that of site B, and site B is just a 301 to site C(money site), then the cloaked site A will show the money site(site C), and that will be the safest way to not pass a penalty down...?

And safe as far as not letting any ad/aff networks know where the traffic is coming from...?

LeadInMarketing · Apr 30, 2014

Anyone else with any advice on this strategy?

peetrike · Apr 30, 2014

Seems like you`re still learning and still haven`t an idea how the full system would work. I can tell that noboby will teach you this for free (at least who knows stuff). There are plenty of ways to do that but to do this correctly the system costs ~3500 usd + servers + 3-400 usd per year for a database for ips which search engine bots use and other costs. Then you can build cloaked sites with a click of a button and have hundreds of thousands of articles per domain. But there are also cheaper options which can generate you kw optimized articles with good onpage seo for your churn&burn site (can call this even cloaked site) and post these automatically to your domain/site. Basically you need 2 sites - site A is a churn&burn site which you will cloak and site B which you say is the referer (money site). You redirect the traffic through moneysite to affiliate site with correct referer. You must have correct referer (there are services and scripts available) which won`t leak otherwise you will get caught from affiliate programs. You have to understand that each browser acts differently and the referer must stay correct. Btw you can even show other site`s content (from money site or affiliate offers) on your churn&burn site with good cloaker without the user/visitor is knowing it. WP is the quickest way to build a cloaked site but it`s too server consuming when you want to do this correctly so most of the users (who know stuff and make the cloaked sites in industrial scale) create html style sites.

Cheers

LeadInMarketing · May 15, 2014

peetrike said:
Seems like you`re still learning and still haven`t an idea how the full system would work. I can tell that noboby will teach you this for free (at least who knows stuff). There are plenty of ways to do that but to do this correctly the system costs ~3500 usd + servers + 3-400 usd per year for a database for ips which search engine bots use and other costs. Then you can build cloaked sites with a click of a button and have hundreds of thousands of articles per domain. But there are also cheaper options which can generate you kw optimized articles with good onpage seo for your churn&burn site (can call this even cloaked site) and post these automatically to your domain/site. Basically you need 2 sites - site A is a churn&burn site which you will cloak and site B which you say is the referer (money site). You redirect the traffic through moneysite to affiliate site with correct referer. You must have correct referer (there are services and scripts available) which won`t leak otherwise you will get caught from affiliate programs. You have to understand that each browser acts differently and the referer must stay correct. Btw you can even show other site`s content (from money site or affiliate offers) on your churn&burn site with good cloaker without the user/visitor is knowing it. WP is the quickest way to build a cloaked site but it`s too server consuming when you want to do this correctly so most of the users (who know stuff and make the cloaked sites in industrial scale) create html style sites.

Cheers

Gotcha...... Thanx. This was my way of picking up a little info and seeing if this tour will work for me. Nah. I will probably start some basic cloaking shenanigans in a couple months. LoL. But this heavy duty stuff you are referring (<-No pun intended

) to, I may or may not ever get into it. We'll see.

BlackHatCloaker · May 16, 2014

Wp cloaker is nice tools but if you like to generate a lot of blog (common sense) you will need a good dedicated server
best offer for dedicated server is soyoustart.com (OVH) they rent 48Giga Ram server for less than 50â‚¬ month wich is pretty amazing
i might not advise to buy this fantomas shadowmaker 3500$ wich is overpriced ...
you can start with like WP Cloaker & when you feel confortable you can go with higher tools dedicated for

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