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A thread for those who think none of the methods on bhw work

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by splishsplash, May 22, 2015.

  1. splishsplash

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    I was having a conversation with someone yesterday, discussing different ways to make money online and what is required for success.

    It's not the "big steps" in a method that make the money, but the 1000's of small things that someone does unconsciously. This is why someone can make $1k/day with a method, and another person can't even hit $5.

    Consequently a lot of people think bhw is full of methods that don't work, or require some big fancy twist. They don't. They usually don't even require a twist at all to reach what 99% would consider life changing income, which is generally to reach about $50/day from their own business.

    My friend pointed out an interesting analogy that really drives this point home.

    Let's say you guys want to bake some caramel shortbread. Is it possible to get recipes online? Yes. Very detailed recipes in fact. Go and have a go at baking them. It's fucking hard. If you're a complete noob. In this case someone who has never baked, your first attempt will be a complete failure. Just like complete noobs trying email marketing for the first time, seo for the first time, amazon review sites for the first time will completely fail.

    If you've got some baking experience your first attempt might be reasonable, this would be the person who's a bit more experienced online, and you see them in the threads.

    "I've been doing this method now for a couple of months and I'm doing ok.. made $300 so far"

    That's your amateur baker.

    No matter how detailed your recipe is, you just won't be able to produce the same results as a professional baker, will you? Yet why the fuck do people here think they're going to follow a thread for a BUSINESS METHOD, which is 10x more difficult than baking a cake, and get success first time. Then when they fail they declare the method doesn't work and the OP is a dirty scammer who just wants "thanks". :)

    Even for some caramel shortbread it'll take a good half dozen attempts to get decent at it.

    Pretty much 70% of the methods on here still work and will produce at least $20-$50/day without any twists. Just by baking that cake several times until you get the hang of the core of it.

    The other 29% will work with a couple of very small twists, which will come naturally when you start working on them. Maybe it's when you're baking your cake and you realize you need to beat your egg 30 seconds longer. You won't know it until you start beating those eggs. :)

    You also won't get good at making caramel shortbread if you try it once, then try to make fries, then try to build a house, then learn to drive, then learn to fly a helicopter! You have to keep making caramel shortbread, then when you get amazing at that, try another cake, then when you're a master baker you can maybe have a go at making pizza.
     
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  2. maxedgames

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    I agree with this analogy, so many 'new' people on this forum come here for a week and dive right into the big money making methods and then wonder why they fail after. It takes baby steps, I remember making $2-3 a day when I first started IM, now its exponentially higher.
     
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    What point are you trying to drive home in ?
     
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    this post makes me hungry.
     
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    Or you can just pay someone to make the caramel shortbread for you. :)
     
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    When I opened this thread, I was actually expecting some payment proof instead of a lecture. According to me, lecture on something that people already know doesnt work. Everyone knows we need to move our ass and get to work. We remain lazy because we remain lazy, not because we dont know we should work hard to win. :)
     
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    Majority of the people are looking for "click" to make money method but that doesn't work, it takes a lot of initial effort and hard work to make a living but that hard work pays off very soon as long as you stay focused and determined.

    This thread would definitely help a lot of newbies who are starting out.
     
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    Persistence, determination and little bit of patience. If at first you don't succeed try again. Work hard, don't give up and you can achieve your wildest dreams.
     
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    You missed the entire point of the thread.

    I'm not even going to bother explaining it because I think your attitude stinks and my words will meet on deaf ears.

    Best of luck getting payment proof elsewhere.
     
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    How annoying. No one seems to get the point of this.

    I'll make it clearer.

    Recipe for caramel shortbread exists.

    You try it.

    You fail.

    Would you then say the recipe is fake and doesn't work, or would you realize that you're just a shit baker and need to try harder?

    Get it now?

    The methods on bhw are no different. They pretty much all work, but just because you have a step by step recipe/method doesn't guarantee success without persistence.
     
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    I believe the word is called tenacity.
     
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    This is true with every non-trivial process. First you start following some steps and don't understand much, then you start understanding some of the details, then you "get" it, then your brain starts thinking "hey, what if I did that instead of this?". The key is repetition.
     
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    lol I love your cake baking example :)

    But you are right, you have to keep trying.
     
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    I started off a noob that would just try to copy and innovate some incentives on what others had made. Everyone starts at that during the initial infancy phase. I can't stress enough that psychology is king, not content. Apple uses it, Amazon uses it, Google uses it, your grocery store uses it, your food uses it, etc. Subconsciously I create and activate triggers in your head to hand me money.

    You don't buy chicken or steak to just eat, it sounds good to you, your subconscious has been trained to associate emotions with it to encourage you to buy it again. You remember enjoying that meal, you remember all the tastes, smells, sounds that went with that meal. It's benefits are hard facts like protein and health, its psychological benefits are that it made you feel good by various means (your gf loved the food, your family enjoyed the meal and had good laughs around the table, you felt full and appeased after eating good seasoned food).

    I can trigger those emotions with visuals, sounds, even just word play for your imagination to play up on. A sales ad does not entice you to buy, your mind entices you to buy. You buy with emotions, and I make money triggering those emotions. I overcome your objections with hard factual benefits and supportive psychological benefits so Ican take your money and go buy a new car with it. Right away I can spot if someone is a master of sales psychology or if that person is just spouting back crap they found on Google search.

    Amazon plays on your emotions. You buy because you think you are getting a good deal (so many benefits and the hard facts don't lie), but its all setup very well. Affiliates promote Amazon because it's setup and designed to sell right away. In return Amazon grows bigger because of the small hard working affiliates and the billions in playing on your buying emotions. Search for Microsoft surface pro 3, then click on the Microsoft link, then click on new offers hypertext link. you'll find out microsoft doesn't sell it on Amazon, smallbusiness joe, llc does. Itis setup to make you think you are buying directly from Microsoft, but it's not.

    You hope Google will pay you because of word of mouth that Google pays greatly for clicks on Adsense. Social proof and a herd mentality make them a authority that can do no wrong but pay you in your mind. It costs you nothing to put your foot in the door, and hell even you might amke some money right? It's simple and easy, and all you need to do is buy the GARBAGE LIE for the hope of a dollar earned online without hard work. In reality everything is triggering emotions to cause a reaction from you, if you bother to understand how to use it to get rich or not is up to you.

    I learned the hard way and now that I have I refuse to not play on the level of the big boys.
     
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    I have been trying meathead's method twice with my own twist but ended up with no sales. After reading your thread a few hours ago, I've decided to follow EXACTLY what's being stated. The setup is done using a very popular niche. Tomorrow I will start posting. I will bake this cake again. If it still doesn't work I will PM the master baker. Thank you for this wonderful thread.
     
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    true... true... surely true.
     
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    That method DEFINITELY works and it works well. Keep at it. You *will* get there
     
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  18. wokaka

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    tbh some marketing ideas, no matter how hard you work on it, might never succeed. Sure you are correct that a lot of methods here are actually good and can make us a lot of money if we put a lot of time and effort into it but not all of methods here are that good and reliable. some methods presented here are "spammy" methods that wont work for a long time and require you to start over and over again (i.e. methods that will get your accounts banned). I just dont think you can put them in the same level with much more sustainable business. for example, you can't compare an app/mobile game business or gadget selling business in ebay with a facebook spamming affiliate business. they are not in the same level of sustainability. It's too broad to say "it all depends on how you market it bla bla bla" because obviously one method is different compared to another method.

    while i completely agree "baking the cake" is what matter the most but a good idea is still not comparable to a bad idea.
     
  19. lewwy789

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    It is very true, in no other profession would people expect to succeed without years of training but in IM most people think they have failed if they don't make any money in the first few months.

    My first 3 cakes were crap but you get better and smarter as you go.
     
  20. LinLicker

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    Well it could be. If you're baking cake to make money, then maybe you do have to add twists. How many people will buy just a regular slice of chocolate cake these days? claim it's gluten free and charges your iphone through your stomach and i bet it will sell

    idk what i'm talking about. i just want cake now
     
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