A Seller's Perspective On Current BHW Marketplace Situation!

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Hello Everyone,

We're all aware of the spam issue which is going on BHW Marketplace from last few months, I think it has come to a stage where it has started to damage businesses of majority of the sellers.

I have been a BHW seller from 10+ years and have done well over 7 figures in sales, so when it comes to the marketplace and selling on BHW I know a thing or two about it.

There is a set pattern of these spam accounts, majority of them have 5-8 posts and almost all of them have hidden profiles. They come and quickly bump 4-5 threads in one go and then vanish.

The way that's impacting marketplace is that a genuine seller who has waited 72 hours to bump his thread hardly gets any exposure, his thread gets buried very quickly when these spammers bump many threads in one go.

Now For Example, lets look at SEO - LINK BUILDING Section of the marketplace it currently has 30+ sticky threads, its already very hard in that section to get exposure for non sticky threads so when these spammers bump so many threads and bury your thread it almost gets impossible to get any views / exposure to your thread.

I have nothing against on the number of stickies as I understand BHW is a business and needs to make money. I have advertised on BHW for many years and it always has given me excellent ROI, and I would recommend buying BHW sticky to every seller.

But lets face it BHW stickies are not for every service, there are many low end services which has low profit margins, for these services a sticky will not return a ROI. These services depend on getting exposure from their regular 72 hour bump but that recently has become very hard because of the spammers bumping other threads.

I know we can report these accounts but I do not think that solves the problem in hand and is the right solution. Because by the time you report these accounts and action is taken against them they have already bumped many threads and literally buried a lot of genuine threads.

What I think could help a little to minimize the spam:

New accounts shouldn't be allowed to hide their profiles, there is no reasonable need for a newbie to hide their profile unless they're up to something shady. They should be allowed this feature when they have 50 posts.

Any member under 50 posts shouldn't be allowed to post something like, interested, samples, review copies etc. If a genuine buyer is really interested in your service they can reach you via pm for samples, moreover they can get in touch with you from your off site contact details which are compulsory for each sales thread according to marketplace rules.

If above suggestions are not feasible than I would suggest adding a extra layer of verification to register a account. SMS verification or something else, just to slow down these spammers or make them work a little hard.

Finally, I love this forum to bits and I always see threads from buyers perspective on the forum so I thought It's time to give a seller's perspective for a change:D

Everything in this thread is just my opinion and observation, I am not saying I am 100% right and you're free to disagree with what I have said. But, lets brainstorm this and try to find a solution to stop this spam and make BHW even better.

Best Regards,

bluematter
 

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A lot of great points are raised here. There are suddenly a lot of these new accounts, post count under 10, all hidden profiles, clearly here to manipulate the marketplace. amazing how people register and first thing they do is hide their profile, then make 3 or 4 posts all in a 6 minute window.

Hello..... yet not even 1 of them has even bothered with an Intro thread. Just start shilling.

Agree about reporting them should work, but the ones I report all seem to get rejected, and the common rejection is no proof of wrongdoing.

The extra level of verification is a great idea.

I saw a BST yesterday the seller claims to be the site owner to offer a guest post, he's basically selling a guest post on tech Bullion, so clearly he/she is not the site owner, and it is blatant misrepresentation.
 

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Hello Everyone,

We're all aware of the spam issue which is going on BHW Marketplace from last few months, I think it has come to a stage where it has started to damage businesses of majority of the sellers.

I have been a BHW seller from 10+ years and have done well over 7 figures in sales, so when it comes to the marketplace and selling on BHW I know a thing or two about it.

There is a set pattern of these spam accounts, majority of them have 5-8 posts and almost all of them have hidden profiles. They come and quickly bump 4-5 threads in one go and then vanish.

The way that's impacting marketplace is that a genuine seller who has waited 72 hours to bump his thread hardly gets any exposure, his thread gets buried very quickly when these spammers bump many threads in one go.

Now For Example, lets look at SEO - LINK BUILDING Section of the marketplace it currently has 30+ sticky threads, its already very hard in that section to get exposure for non sticky threads so when these spammers bump so many threads and bury your thread it almost gets impossible to get any views / exposure to your thread.

I have nothing against on the number of stickies as I understand BHW is a business and needs to make money. I have advertised on BHW for many years and it always has given me excellent ROI, and I would recommend buying BHW sticky to every seller.

But lets face it BHW stickies are not for every service, there are many low end services which has low profit margins, for these services a sticky will not return a ROI. These services depend on getting exposure from their regular 72 hour bump but that recently has become very hard because of the spammers bumping other threads.

I know we can report these accounts but I do not think that solves the problem in hand and is the right solution. Because by the time you report these accounts and action is taken against them they have already bumped many threads and literally buried a lot of genuine threads.

What I think could help a little to minimize the spam:

New accounts shouldn't be allowed to hide their profiles, there is no reasonable need for a newbie to hide their profile unless they're up to something shady. They should be allowed this feature when they have 50 posts.

Any member under 50 posts shouldn't be allowed to post something like, interested, samples, review copies etc. If a genuine buyer is really interested in your service they can reach you via pm for samples, moreover they can get in touch with you from your off site contact details which are compulsory for each sales thread according to marketplace rules.

If above suggestions are not feasible than I would suggest adding a extra layer of verification to register a account. SMS verification or something else, just to slow down these spammers or make them work a little hard.

Finally, I love this forum to bits and I always see threads from buyers perspective on the forum so I thought It's time to give a seller's perspective for a change:D

Everything in this thread is just my opinion and observation, I am not saying I am 100% right and you're free to disagree with what I have said. But, lets brainstorm this and try to find a solution to stop this spam and make BHW even better.

Best Regards,

bluematter
Yep, same thing for Social Media ~35 sticky posts before you see regulars, I get it that everyone wants to get an edge since it is highly competitive. But they should either split it into different categories related to Social media like it is done with SEO or allow less pinned posts
 

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No offense but it seems like most or all product offerings on BHW are spammy BS - I have been guilty of purchasing a couple of items from folks and I kick myself every time. If it's cheap in price its cheap in design.

The stuff for sale in this forum is always garbage. I see each and every seller as spammy. I hope each seller has a shit time selling, as most of them are burning folks constantly here.
 

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A couple of very quick prime examples.

Golden Buffalo Casino = 2 posts and hidden profile in 2 minutes
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Last seen 20 minutes ago


Casino Grand = 1 post and hidden profile in 2 minutes
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I don't think expandable spam accounts holders care too much for the rules, and I really don't think that genuine new accounts should get warnings and infractions for showing interest in services.

It was suggested before that if an account below a certain post count wont bump threads, and I think this is a great elegant solution for this problem.
 

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As I have been to many marketplaces over the years, I believe its really easy to fix.

Basically vouches are added via a button not a reply. Threads can only be bumped through a button. When you click it, it starts counting down 24 hours till its available to click again.

And this is the only way to push your thread to top, so, everyone has same exposure and there is no way to manipulate the system
 

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Threads can only be bumped through a button. When you click it, it starts counting down 24 hours till its available to click again.

Watch that develop to be a game of chicken. Whoever presses the button first will be buried by others who bump directly after.

Joking aside I agree that simple responses should not necessarily bump threads. This would also in theory end some of the 'SAMPLES PLS' 'REVIEW PLS' 'DISCOUNT CODE' spam. Seriously, finding reviews is a pain lately
 

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You can't block words nor you should, because that's something common.

What could do well is your suggestion of hiding profile. That should go over 100 posts instead of 50.

That is a very very shady thing and if you ask me, it should be disabled for all. Mostly Jr Vip uses them for better scam ROI

As a very successful spammer (social media) myself, I know that you cannot defend vs spam. No platform is capable (trust me)

The best thing this forum can do is to prevent newbies from being able to bump threads.

This should be done on 2 levels, one goes for amount of post, and other for time since accounts has been registered.

A sample would be, 15 posts and 30 days old account is eligible for any thread bump, or subforums such misc etc.

See, you can't really solve the issue with adding any kind of new rules, but only make it harder and in this case (I believe) you give more authority to older members to control what is seen on the forum, instead of letting any random joe bumping around.

This would affect spammers to farm accounts activity on another level. They would still success, but look BHW,
You have to do something. Every platform is trying their best to fight back, and you too should follow this pattern.
 

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Thanks for all the useful marketplace suggestions - many of which are already built into MarketPlace 2 coming next year.

We acknowledge that thread bumping can be an issue, but removing the option for a newbie or Jr. VIP to hide their privacy isn't the solution. Reporting is, reporting is the thin edge of the wedge so we can investigate further. Reporting profiles with comments such as "I think this guy / Gal is fake because they are new" without any information backing it up, isn't useful. Hitting the report button on a bumped post is much more useful. That way we can see patterns and use our back-end data to build a case and take action against these accounts. Many many bumps/troll accounts never get to see the light of day as it is, we appreciate this can always be improved. This is achieved, in part, through all those useful reports, they really do help and are greatly appreciated.

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