For those that say you can't. YOU CAN. If you think that EVERYONE in IM just "made it" they didn't. Even the "big players" such as Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc. They all started out with an idea, and took that idea and ran with it. You think Google started out and blew up instantly? No. Theres THOUSANDS of other search engines out there. Such as Yahoo!, DogPile, Ask. Those are just a few that come to mind. For those of you saying "I can't live out of my car" or "I can't make the money for a $2,000 / month apartment!" No, it's not that you can't it's the fact that you think you can't. You don't NEED that $2,000 aparment. What do you REALLY need in an apartment to live? You need - A way to keep your food/drinks cold Answer: Refridgerator A place to sleep Answer: You don't NEED a bed that's all big and comfy, you CAN get by on an air mattress if you had to. A place to goto the bathroom Answer: a bathroom, if you absolutly HAD to, you could use a pot and wash it out when your done. Keep warm(if in a region where it get's cold) Answer: a jacket or several jackets/blankets That's it. That's ALL that you NEED to live. You say "I'm only making $xx online per month" or "I'm only making $xxx per month!" Well now, what do you do with that? You scale it up, or if you don't scale it up, find out how to improve it, EVERYTHING can be improved in some way. Think outside of the box. For those of you that give you "sob stories" here's my sob story. ********************************************* At 8 years old, i got a computer, i tinkered around with it and figured it out in my spare time. Had an older friend that taught me how to write "BATCH" programs(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batch_file) I thought it was interesting so I stuck with it. Over the years I did as every child does, "i want to be a lawyer!", "I want to be a doctor!" all of that jolly stuff. Then I realized that the chance of that is slim to none. In the mean time I played around with BATCH. At 12 years old, I sold my first program for $5 to a friend, it was in Visual Basic 6.0 It was something simple, all it did was copy a file to another location. At 13, I started to send out email, because I saw the movie "Hackers" and saw on the news about Russian hackers I believe, or I just heard about "spam" I don't remember how I heard about it, but I heard about "Mass mailing" I sent out TONS of emails and only made $0.50 a day if I was lucky. From then on, between the ages of 13-16 I had HUNDREDS of FAILED BUSINESSES. Everything from GPT sites to web hosting, to forums. At age 16, I found out my father committed suicide when I was two. You think your life is depressing because your losing your job? Imagine that, hearing that your father committed suicide when you where two years old and your 16 and first finding out the truth. Being lied to your whole life being told it was an accident. That's why I got the tattoo of "No More Pain" on my upper right arm, I'm going to get a cross above it in his memory. ********************************************* That's all I'm willing to share of my sob story. There's more but I'm not going to focus on my sob story. For the "everyday person" saying "i want to be my own boss and have my own business! and tell my boss to F*** OFF!" Well now, lets face reality. Being your own boss/having your own business, your day doesn't end at 5 PM or whenever your own work day ends. I have people CONSTANTLY emailing me or calling me 24/7 all hours of the day and night from all around the world asking me questions about the network or offers on the network and everything. I can't be 'pissy' towards them AT ALL. Now, why can't I? Because, that ONE person may be the one that makes my network skyrocket, or that person might go out and say that my network is a POS. I have one guy on the network, I gave him a BASIC explination on how to do email marketing, use tracking links and what-not, and guess what? He was one of the "internet senior citizens" as I like to say. He didn't know what a tracking link was or CPA or how to use any of it, he thought email marketing was just clicking "select all" on your contact list and sending it to the maybe 10-20 people you have. I gave him a detailed explination on how to do it, explained why and how stuff does what it does how the user filling out the offer makes the advertiser money, how CPA Networks make money and everything. That guy didn't come with a sob story going "oh whoest me! help me!" etc. He just came and said "I'm ready, let's make money, I'll do whatever it takes" Now that, that is called drive my e-friends. If you have drive, you will be successful. Because, if you don't give up, you can't fail. You may say "i need money to start emailing!" Well now, that's shocking. For every problem THERE IS A SOLUTION. You need money for a server? Well stop reading the forum. You don't want a 9-5 job? Well go mow the lawn for $5. You don't want to mow the lawn? Go shovel snow for $10 You don't want to snow/mow? Go rake leaves for $5 You don't want to rake/snow/moe? Go wash windows for $0.50 per window(depending on the size) You don't want to do any of that? Go wash a car for $10. You think once you have a server you will make money? No. Get the idea/method down-pat and do it from your own computer(if possible) and if you see it being fairly profitable, THEN you get a server and let it go for a day or two see how it pans out. Because EVERY METHOD DIES EVENTUALLY. It may die two days from now, it may die a month from now, or even 5 years from now, bottom line, EVERY method dies, just like everything else, EVERYTHING DIES EVENTUALLY. Even the planet your sitting on now(earth) the earth will die, the sun will die, the human race will die eventually, our planet will burn out, each and every single living thing(past, presenet and future) will be forgotten. For those looking for the "next big thing" Stop it. You more-than-likely won't find it. You would have a better chance of being a serial murderer and joining the FBI/CIA. Focus on making SOME money. First off, if you need money, get a job, get an easy job, be a "cart boy" at a store, those guys that go and fetch the carts from the parking lot, or be a "bagger" at a grocery store. While your doing that, or just going about your daily life, cary around a pen and one of those "pocket book" notebooks, or cary around your cell phone. Whenever you have ANY idea jot it down in the notebook or in your cell phone. Don't think "I can remember it" because you will focus on trying to remember it so much that you won't be able to come up with new ideas. After you jot it down, you will subconsiously think "okay its there, it's not going anywhere, let more ideas flow" Jot down the idea no matter how simple it seams, or how complex it seems. Jot it down so you remember it, but don't make it too complex / in depth. Just be simple, like "make fb page(movie, 'the matrix') make website, promote pc offer" That's just an example of one I remember from years ago when the movie "The Matrix" pretty much swept over my town for some odd reason everyone was ALL OVER it in my town. So I capatalized on it. What that little note meant was this. Make a facebook fan page around the 'Movie' niche, the movie to target "The Matrix". Make a website centered around "The Matrix" and promote a PC(computer) giveaway. What I did for that, was, I took a picture of my own computer, got a friend to work his magic in photoshop to make it look like my comptuer was a "The Martix" themed computer. Now I did NOT promote a computer giveaway offer. What I did was I built a list. I had it be as targetted as possible. I got all the "standard" contact information, as well as what movies they liked, specific genres(action, romance, racing, etc) if they played any video games, if they liked sports, if so, what where they, etc. I got a VERY targetted list, now, what did I do with that? I went to my CPA company of choice at the time and I looked around to see what offers they had, if they had an offer that was towards one of the user's niches that they selected, I sent out an email to the user making it look personalized. Like; "Hey Katie Doe, You like The Patriots football team, right? Well, I just wanted to let you know, the company NFL giveaways is giving away 4 front row seats to the next patriots game on March 14th 2002 enter for your chance to win - http://link.com/tracking" I didn't use the list right off the bat, it was very targetted, I used it to the max. When a major event came around or just an event, I made a website doing the same thing as I did with "The Matrix". I keep tabs on what's hot in my town. What the teenagers are into, what the adults are in to, what people are buying the most at stores, etc. I jot it down in my phone and make websites based around them to get their information to send out email's to them. Instead of purchasing lists, I create them myself. Also, some of you may seen me saying months ago about "SMS Marketing" well now, if they put in the cell phone number and carrier, you can have the file that collects the information input their number in the what I like to call "SMS Email format" Meaning; If they put in xxx-xxx-xxxx and select the carrier "ATT" or "Cingular"(since their both the same company) You can have the file write it as this "[email protected] I strongly encourage that EVERYONE that reads this thread, reads "The Hacker Manifesto" below. Code: by +++The Mentor+++ Written January 8, 1986 Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"... Damn kids. They're all alike. But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world... Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me... Damn underachiever. They're all alike. I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..." Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike. I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here... Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike. And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out , a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike... You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert. This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. Remember, if you can make $1 online, you can make $1,000 online. If you can make $1,000 online, you can make $100,000. Also, don't look for the next method to make you $100+ / day, look for the next method to make $1 per day and you will be the under-dog that takes that $1 per day method to $1,000+ per day Shoot for the stars because you will at least hit the moon. I will write more on this later on today possibly if people want more. Also, after reading this, remember this - I'm a person just like you, nothing greater and nothing less, If you focus on your goal you just might reach it before you die.