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A little depressed about Internet Marketing

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Allie Albatross, Jul 3, 2009.

  1. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    I'm starting to get very discouraged reading, and reading, and reading. Now, don't hate me because I said this, this is from what I've gathered and implied, but it seems as if Internet Marketing, or just the Black Hat version, is very unstable. Let me give you an example. I use one of the many Twitter methods, where you get some account, rank up as many followers as you can, and try to cash in on the users. That's awesome, I suppose, but once the account is banned, what do you do then? Start all over? Who in there right mind would want to make a business that they would repeatedly have to keep restarting over and over and over...

    That's what I see anyways. And these people that run blogs on "How to Make Money", where are they getting this knowledge? There writing on how to make money, and there making money off that blog, so...paradox.

    I also wanted to get some links to those posts about ways to stay motivated, such as writing everything down on pen and paper. I can't seem to find any of those topics. Sorry for sounding so depressing :p
     
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  2. afallison

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    you have to think volume. twitter has a limit on the amount of followers a user can add in a day. so make 200 accounts and add to them each day. randomize it. 200 for 20 accounts, 400 for 60, etc...get followers and THEN start randomly tweeting aff links and shit. word of advice - twitter is a fucking spam virus. get 2000 followers and you'll see what i mean. its getting retarded.

    and if you're a good blackhatter, you never write shit. you spin it really, really well and do it fast. you dont make 3 blogs, you make 300. the tools and resources are here, on this site. it can be frustrating, but find what works and multiply it.

    volume, volume, volume. it's key.
     
  3. TheInternetHustler

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    I have stumbled across multiple blackhat methods that can make me a lot a year(lets just say more than the average person's income is) a year if I worked hard enough at it(no PMs please), they may not be "stable" for 20 years, but a year or two they can be. A method I was using a year ago that makes me bank, still makes me money now when I use it, the exact same unchanged method... That one actually involves getting tons of accounts of a certain site getting banned on a regular basis, but you can always make new ones and have multiple accounts at the same time... You mentioned twitter, make 20 accounts then if your worry about some getting banned...

    Look for some sexy screen shots of people's CPA/Afilliate/paypal etc. accounts with tons of money for motivation... The real motivation comes from having success, but I guess you have to start somewhere..

    And your right about the make money blogs, most of the owners probably are just bullshitting... but that doesnt mean other people arent successful
     
  4. bizzybee76

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    It is SO easy to get down on yourself about it.

    But take my advice...be easy on yourself.

    There are IMers here who have been at it for hours and IMers who have been at it for many, many, MANY years.

    Think of any other profession in the world that new people can just get into with NO experience, no skill, no knowledge other than the desire to make money. Would you walk into a hospital and say, "yeah that sounds cool, I want to be a doctor, gimme one of those white coats" Or is there a little more to it than that. The problem is that we all KNOW there is A LOT to being a Doctor, or a Lawyer, or whatever...we all know years of schooling are involved, degrees, licenses, YEARS of study and practice.

    IM is alluring because of all of the BS that is out there..."Make $5500 a month working 15 seconds a year" No, skills, no idea, any idiot can make money at IM...that is what people tell you...usually because they are pushing some crappy ebook and want you to think that if you spend $25 they will throw in all of the secret keys to IM as a bonus.

    A lot of people don't realize the hard work that goes into it to get something set up and going. Some techniques and methods are easier and cheaper than others. And to be honest, a lot of the methods on here are saturated and beaten to death. Not to say there isn't room for one more, but people are always looking for something.

    It is easy to get caught up in ALL of the info on here. When I signed up, talk about information OVERLOAD. I was terrified to post anything, afraid of being called out for not knowing what I was talking about, and just about drowned at all of the information at my fingertips. Try not to let that happen.

    A lot of IMing is trial and error. Experiment and see what happens, don't let fear of failure or fear of the unknown hold you back. Fear is a primal defense mechanism burined deep in your brain to keep you safe...learn to harness it, you can't get rid of it...

    And yes, your motivational tip of the day from me...I've said it on here before...

    Every morning you wake up, get ready and go to your desk. You sit for 10 minutes and visualize what you're doing all of this for. Car? House? 2 weeks All Inclusive? Your goals and dreams are the most powerful motivator there is. Find things you want and create a vision board. Hang it on the wall of your office, put all of the pictures of the things you want in your life on that board. And visualize them. 10 minutes every day. Write down your goals and dreams, "My dream is to take my family to disney world for two weeks over christmas, and pay for the entire trip myself" "My dream is to purchase a brand new Toyota Tundra" Whatever your dreams are...dream them. Make them real. When you write down your goals, ask yourself, Am I doing EXACTLY what I should be doing to make my goal happen. Goals need to be broken down and doable everyday.

    I used to sell cars, ok.

    I went to work, and yes, my goal everyday was to sell a car.

    Most of the sales people had that very goal...some of them just wanted somewhere else to be because they didn't want to stay home and yell at their wife all day.

    anyway...

    If my daily goal was to sell a car, what could I do to make that happen?

    I could stand out front with 10 other sales people and hope to outrun them to the "up" who was actually there to buy a car and not jerk us around.

    I could go through my list of service leads and make cold calls to people who have cars with over 60,000 miles.

    I could follow up with current customers and make sure they are enjoying their car and ask them for referral business.

    Rule 1 in car sales is to plan you work, and work the plan. Don't leave it up to chance.

    In sales I think the rule was 100 cold calls, you would reach 30 people, of those 30, 12 would be interested, of those 12, 8 would make an appt, and of those 8, 4 would buy. Something like that.

    Yes, you're going to hit road blocks...figure a way to go around or over or even under...

    I think I've said enough...
     
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  5. Mp3Mage

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    Most of blackhat is depressing ... get used to it.

    Banned accounts should be one thing to expect when doing BH.

    Don't get depressed over it ... LAUGH IT OFF =]

    Laugh it off, because you have a backup. When doing blackhat, make sure you have a backup (i.e. extra accounts)

    There's a saying. Blackhatters use their blackhat money to fund their whitehat projects. Use that and run with it. Blackhat methods are good if you need quick cash (unless you're upscaling your bh methods). Otherwise, I would concentrate mainly on whitehat.

    :usa:
     
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  6. ipodtouchhackerisher

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    Get used to it and if you dont like then just hire someone to do the work for you :)
     
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  8. therat

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    most people that enter this game fail - just like most people that start a business fail

    others try 1, 2, 3 unsuccessful campaigns and then give up. Or get their accounts banned and give up

    I have made money online through different methods including CPA, PPI, CS, adsense, adwords, clist

    AND IT TOOK ME A YEAR of working and trying shit before I made anything

    hating your job is a pretty big motivation :) - try not to be so "results oriented" would be my advise and be happy with learning and trying new stuff and you will be successful
     
  9. TheInternetHustler

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    Thats a good point about how most people fail... honestly there is not enough room for everybody to succeed, also I think a lot of people arent cut out for it...
     
  10. wolfmanlv

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    Allie Albatross you can quite and keep working for someone rest of your life. Is that really so bad? You do still have employment and money coming in right? If so..YOU BE A LUCKY DUDE RIGHT NOW...

    That said... you gotta walk before you can run.

    Choose a method, take just that up..and stop reading about anything else that does not take you in that direction that you chose.

    Once you're sure you've given that all you got and if still no success...find another method or direction that helps.

    IF you got some extra cash consider paying someone here that's reputable for some one-on-one... you should expedite your progress and likely be in the money faster.

    Keep at it just stay focused with one method at a time.
     
  11. oni3350

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    I think someone should mention about AUTOMATION! May as well be me. Allie Albatross::::

    Just like Blackhatters do they do 10% MORE and even more than that, than their competitors. You have to if you want to win in this game.

    Guys in this thread are talking about creating masses of accounts with twitter ect. And yes thats true, you gotta do it, once you find something that works for you MASS SCALE IT! And if one account gets banned, so what you have another 100 accounts to mess with.

    Learn some more about covering your traces with clearing cookies, changing IP ect.
    And then go through the blackhat tools section and start looking for tools that will help you do most of this work on automation.

    Im currently using SE Nuke which creates one account to over 60 web 2.0 sites in 12 minutes. Verifies all the confirmation links in another 2 mins. So imagine just how quickly burned out you will be if you try to do all of that work manually!
     
  12. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    Sorry to reply to such an old post, well, it's earlier than 20 days, so I suppose it's not THAT old.

    That's one thing I've yet to figure out. Does Internet Marketing revolve around either selling a product or service, or someone else's product or service? Is that all there is out there? If I'm not mistaken, since the only White Hat section we have is SEO, I guess that's pertaining to creating a website of some kind, marketing a product/service, and using SEO to get people to that page. Of course, what makes us stand out from other affiliates? They have a fancy webpage too, but they are selling the same thing.

    Well, after today, I'm up to a little over $16, here is a screenshot to prove it (I do realize this proves nothing :p)

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  13. Jcsarokin

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    Stop reading and start acting. That is KEY KEY KEY to IM. You need to actually do something inorder to profit. if you loose some cash in the beginning, tough luck, your going to 10x it in like 3 weeks anyways lol
     
  14. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    I actually did get the urge to do something today. I posted on Craigslist, the posting was so boring, but I had a blast replying to people in GMail, it was fun! I believe I'm more motivated due to the fact that I am slowly melting in my room from the computers exhaust fan and our air conditioner no longer functioning. I am so desperate for another air conditioner.

    If anyone out there would love to ship one for free, I wouldn't mind ;)
     
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  15. black1411

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    I have to say that Blackhatting doesn't mean it's easier than WH. You still got to learn and put the work in, plus u have to take protection measures for your BH methods, so if anything you have more work to do. However if you choose the right methods and tools, you can upscale things and thus upscale your profits as well.

    Bottomline: There's nothing to be depressed about, i can think of ALOT more depressing thing than not making money online. Be grateful you actually even have a chance at doing this in the first place.

    What would you do if you were in the 60's? Jump down a bridge since there's no internet. :p

    See it as a opportunity and not a obstacle.
     
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  16. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    Not to sound cocky, but the reason I have a chance to do this, was because I gave myself that chance. I carried this computer from the Thrift Store, all the way home, took 3 trips. First was for the huge CRT monitor, the second was for the tower, and the third I took a trash bag, to bag the keyboard/speakers, etc. I then got myself a minimum wage job, and got connected to the Internet. I'm more motivated in real life, where I'm not limited by inability to multiply my actions (aka programming/automating).
     
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    "You know what your problem is? You're all brains. Not enough cock and balls." .- Road Trip .
    Just fucking DO IT. if you're not laughing at and amazing yourself for the INSANE volume of bytes your putting out on the net.. you're not living BH to the fullest! :D
     
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