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A few questions relating to SEO and article/bum marketing.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Dev!Licious, Apr 3, 2010.

  1. Dev!Licious

    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    Heya, after long hours of reading I felt that taking the Whitehat SEO route makes a lot of sense. Making micro niche sites that make $3 a day(Adsense) within a week sounds like a good option. I could either stick with the website or I could flip it for ($3x30=$90/month x 8 months=$700). What's even better is that the website will be earning on complete autopilot. I could also add some Clickbank links on the website for an additional source of income. Well, all this is well said and done, but when it comes to actually ranking for the keywords it can be a tough nut to crack. So, I have a few questions that I would like to put to you guys regarding article marketing. Before that, the keywords I'll be choosing have less than 20k competition and at least 1000 searches a month. Now, I haven't taken into account the Pageranks of my competitors, is this required? Also, from what I've read it's enough to submit 3 unique articles to EZA, Goarticles and ArticleBase and you will rank for the targetted keyword. Is this true or should I make a spinnable article and blast it to 100s of article directories. Also, I've heard people saying that submitting your articles manually "help you in the long term". I really don't understand that as the websites that we're submitting articles to obviously don't know that we've submitting them automatically or we would be banned. So what difference does it actually make if i submit it automatically or manually. If I'm to submit it automatically, what submitting software or service do you suggest? SEnuke, AMA, MAN, or any other software or service. Any other tips or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you so much! :D
     
  2. Longover

    Longover Power Member

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    Sound like you are over-analyzing this.

    1. Go find some low comp keywords
    2. Write articles (keyword in title and in body - w/ a persuasive CTA)

    Also, from what I've read it's enough to submit 3 unique articles to EZA, Goarticles and ArticleBase and you will rank for the targetted keyword. Is this true or should I make a spinnable article and blast it to 100s of article directories.

    Too broad of a question. This wouldn't work for a very competitive keyword. It all depends on what is ranking.
     
  3. Dev!Licious

    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    I would have thought I'm under-analyzing this because i'm not taking PR of my competitors into consideration. You're confusing yourself I guess, because you just said "Too broad of a question. This wouldn't work for a very competitive keyword. It all depends on what is ranking." We're talking about ranking for a keyword with less than 20k competition in quotes. And depends on what ranking? You really confused me :p
     
  4. fujing

    fujing Junior Member

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    what counts is analyzing your competition in the top 5 of google serps. then u will know how much work u need to do to rank well.
     
  5. Dev!Licious

    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    I do agree with what you say, just wondering what kind of promotion is enough what what's the method I should use, as i've mentioned in my original post.
     
  6. aftershock2020

    aftershock2020 Senior Member

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    You can get rank for any keyword you want. That wouldn't be the problem, not as much as your approach to how you are attempting to get it.

    The most common practice is to post 3-5 articles per day, per directory. Due to the regularity of this practice, it has shown to be highly accepted due to the directories being able to keep close tabs on those authors for regular content, in turn counting on them for new daily content to keep their own site rank up due to the spiders tracking that content on the same daily time table, which keeps them up on their keyword positions.

    Typical client generated content there, nothing new.

    The difference that I am going to give you works in returning a lot stronger results. I have a standard time frame that I write every day, on the same day for stocking my articles for my target markets. I keep roughly 3500 articles on file at any given time in my database.

    From that, I draw a random daily posting time and random daily number of articles for the next day at the end of the previous work day. The next day comes, I have the articles laid out in my working folder, ready and waiting to be posted when the time comes.

    I set my desktop alarm to warn me 10 minutes prior, get them submitted using my article submitter and get back to other work of the day without missing a beat.

    The final step is to keep a journal with this process. Keep a cheap spiral notebook with only these records in it. Nothing fancy there.

    Here's what I keep and monitor in that record:

    Daily date, Day of week, time posted, article count posted, market & keyword posted for, Current rank/position of target site the article is promoting.

    All of these things may seem like a lot of work but if you have 300 pages of adsense working for $3/daily, you are going to be banking a clean and clear $900/day for your efforts. Not bad for roughly 2 hours of writing/spinning a week and 30 minutes per day to post/track. As you've said, the rest is on auto pilot. Just set the times that you select randomly to fall between the regualr hours you routinely work every day.

    The resulting data will reflect an example of something like:

    Mon. - 3 articles @ 4:50pm, Tues. - 7 articles @ 10:07 am, Wed. - 4 articles @ 2:13pm.
     
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  7. Dev!Licious

    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    Thanks a ton for your response Aftershock2020. Going back to what I read, for the amount of competition I'm targetting wouldn't it be sufficient to just post 3 articles and rank in Google. I have read this in a particular eBook which states that with less than 10k competition if you post 3 articles on the 3 directories i mentioned then you should rank and start making money in the top 10 in Google in less than a week.
     
  8. aftershock2020

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    Well, this is true to some extent, as you will want to surely do way more than just articles alone. That is merely a single piece of the puzzle. It takes way more effort, as other typical practices like blogging, social marketing/linking and backlinking.

    I'm not stating at all that this is a cure-all method, just a method that does work for article marketing without a doubt. It will look way more natural if you don't force it and stuff your article sumbissions. With the social marking age on us, it isn't just abotu stuffing the most content out there. It is about getting solid and useful content out there.

    If the reader has seen your spins 100 times over, they aren't going to follow your posts once they catch on. At that point, they will never cross your site unless by mistake. Keep that in mind. It isn't all about set it and forget it when it comes to this stuff. You have to do the work and serve the time to gain the long-term credit of the people hitting your sites.


    Not to burst your bubble about the ebook you read but, keep in mind also that any guru that tells you that article marketing is an absolute and " that is all you need "...is a flat out liar. You have to use it within SEO as part of it, which is what it is. Think about the reason he/she is telling you this great secret in part. It is due to them not giving you anything more than just another piece of the whole picture. That's why they keep rehashing this stuff over and over, it is because there is nothing else to it but the basics.

    The skill and magic comes from actually learning/developing your own method of using the basics in a routine that makes you real money.

    Hope the method helps. It is there if you wish to use it.
     
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  9. Dev!Licious

    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    Thanks again for your advice. I understand your concern over rehashed ebooks, but as far as I know this author is pretty well known and i don't think there should be a problem if he shares his method because in the end all of us will be targetting different niches and we wouldn't run into each other's niches or be each other's competition.
     
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    Dev!Licious Registered Member

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    Anybody has anything that they could add to this? Looking for some valuable inputs.
     
  11. bgibson8708

    bgibson8708 Newbie

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    If you want 9 articles, 3 to each directory to be enough, you need to take some other things into consideration. I am starting a website that will feature product reviews. It will be a wordpress blog and I will grant author status to about 20 users. Those users can post their product reviews for their keywords on the blog, add their adsense into the post, and put in their aff links. Then since they will get backlinks to their page and all the other authors will get backlinks to thier pages, the domain backlinks will be high and the pages will rank easily.

    If you wanna know more or even join in on this so you can rank easily let me know. PM me or send me an email to bgibson8708@gmail.com. Amazon and Ezine and big websites have millions of domain backlinks, thats why they rank for anything their website even mentions. If we want that kind of power we have to band together as micro niche marketers. Interested?
     
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    bgibson8708 Newbie

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    I think article marketing mixed with some web 2.0 (I use SEnuke) and some blogging (Link Farm Evolution) is a deadly combo. Especially for long tail keywords. I have a lot of words ranked on the first page and some keywords are even number one.

    I recommend mostly article marketing (either do it yourself or outsource it). I like writing so I do it myself, about 5 hours a day, 6 articles an hour. But you can also get it outsourced cheaply.

    I also write one highly spinnable article. I spin everything. Paragraph variations, sentence variations, word variations, bullet lists, pictures. Then I let SEnuke get those on 2.0 sites.

    Then I use LFE to get a few more backlinks.

    That should get you ranking pretty well. If you like the idea on my previous post and use it you will rank in the top few spots for micro niche keywords easily.
     
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    squeezeseo Newbie

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    just analyse the long tail competition and build more and better quality backlinks then them. Leverage high quality web 2.0 sites like scribd or Hubpages to rank higher than more established sites.