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A couple questions for seasoned players

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by delspon, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. delspon

    delspon Junior Member

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    Hi guys,
    I've been doing and learning about SEO for about 6 months now and I am having small successes here and there. I have a coupe of burning questions though that I can't find STRAIGHT answers for. There's plenty of posts out there that reference this stuff, but really don't give any sort of detail. Here goes:

    (1) What is AMR backlinking? Why is this important compared to regular backlinks?

    (2) What are Wiki posts. Does this refer to literally going to a wikipedia site and posting your link?

    (3) When running Scrapebox, is the quality of the backlink more important than the quantity? Example: post on 5 pages related to your site or post on 20 pages unrelated.
     
  2. phpbuilt

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    1) AMR is article marketing robot. It submits articles to article directories (typically lower quality article directories). These links are a step above scrapebox or xrumer links because your link gets placed in content (your spun article), so the link is more relevant to your site.

    2) Wiki links are similar to AMR links in that your link will be in content from your spun article, which is a good thing. The only difference is its getting placed on a wiki site instead of an article directory site (same article, but on a page that looks like wikipedia instead of a page that looks like ezinearticles.com). These links are also a step-up from scrapebox or xrumer.

    3) Scrapebox is more used for getting backlinks to your backlinks. Be very cautious when blasting your main website with scrapebox. If you can refine a scrapebox list of higher quality, higher PR sites that doesn't have 500 outgoing comment links per page, by all means use it ... but that kind of list is difficult to come by. If you're pointing to your main website, keeping the sites more relevant is a good idea (your 5 related as opposed to 20 unrelated idea).
     
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  3. delspon

    delspon Junior Member

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    Oh I see, thanks! So the idea of a "backlink pyramid" is more or less having a top-level network of Web 2.0/Wiki/Article Submission links and then doing a 2nd layer of scrapebox blasting/pinging of links pointing to that first tier?
     
  4. Lutherblissett

    Lutherblissett Regular Member

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    Yes sir. .that is correct
     
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    If your keyword is not very competitive (say 2k to 6k with exact match domain for your keyword available), you buy the EMD and make a micro niche site ... on that kind of setup a 1 tier web2.0 as 1st tier and 2nd tier of AMR/wiki, with 3rd tier of scrapebox or xrumer blasts works well.

    Nowadays I don't like blasting my main site with anything except high quality, but that's just me. I do xrumer/scrapebox outsourcing >> wiki/amr links >> web2.0s >> my money site (micro niche with EMD and 5 to 10 pages). I do more linking than that (social bookmarking, private blog networks) but that's just the setup of my pyramids.

    Now if you're going on a more difficult keyword, say 20k+ exact match in Google with more difficult competition, no EMD available, you should think about deeper, more complex link pyramids.

    If you're into outsourcing (I'm trying to outsource more and more), linkpushing.net is great because they set up random complex link pyramids. If you're buying them in bulk they're super cheap. Most of this stuff can be outsourced cheap ... the more difficult part is setting up first tier web2.0 buffers (many of them require click/drag and thus a little more difficult to set up).
     
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  6. maxonix

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    Excellent tips on pyramid link building. I have implemented some of these technique and they surely work. I also don't think that blasting your money site with SB and Xrumer is a good idea because G's algo are becoming smarter detecting those kind of links where it penalizes the website that are receiving them.
     
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    Definitly avoid blasting your site at all cost with amr/xrumer if your site is new. Build the links up slowly at first as this is the natural progression and bigG looks out for this
     
  8. warjam1945

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    Great info but one small question?

    The money site is okay i get that and not blast it.

    The 1st tier and 2nd tier stuff do you make individual sites for each tier and a similar EMD to the money site or any domain will do?

    Are these sites wordpress do you upload articles relating to the money site or just pure links.

    This is where it gets fuzzy for me
     
  9. Lutherblissett

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    If you look at a 2 tier system (not super complex)

    When they mention Tier 1 as 'Web 2.0 properties' or 'Web 2.0 sites' Yes you make a original page for each. Mostly it means sites like tumblr,wordpress,etc. You write a few article that link to your main then spin them well. . . and replicate it posting a 'unique' on each property Now you have a number of Tier 1 Web 2.0 properties that point into your main. .

    You can also create a bunch of wiki's and high PR forum profiles, doc sites, etc. add some diversity. These can be tier one as well that link back to your main site.

    Now you take those and hit them with Tier 2 (scrapebox, xrummer) etc.

    AS for Social bookmarks you can hit your tier 1's or your main depending on what you want to do.

    As written very well above by another . You can build more complex systems where the Tier 2 become your wiki's profile, etc. and your sb and xrummer become Tier 3 and link into your tier 2 but not tier 1's . . .

    Ultimately you can do it anyway you want. . just wanted to give you the idea of what tiers are, and how you can start linking them.
     
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  10. delspon

    delspon Junior Member

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    This post has completely straightened things out for me. I have a very solid plan now...just hope Google doesn't randomly ban my AdSense and I'll be rich in 6 months!
     
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    "Yes you make a original page for each"

    Is that on the money site or a whole new website with different domain name and hosting?
     
  12. mrfarshay

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    I also am a bit confused when it comes to setting up tiers.

    Should I write (1) article & spin it with The Best Spinner & use sites like Ezine, Tumbler, Digg & so on with a link in the article or bio pointing to my main site?

    Also how many sites should be on your tier 1 ?

    Once you finish with that how do you automate the process of creating a ton of wiki's or tier 2 pointing to your tier 1's ?

    I do decent in my niches without this structure so I know if you guys could help me better understand this I could be making bank. Thanks in advance for all the help.

    Also if anyone would like to post any strategies with Scrapebox I am interested in learning because I'm not seeing much success yet, with the tool : (
     
  13. Lutherblissett

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    I think you are still a bit lost . . . in my example

    Tier 2 . .links to Tier 1 . . links to Money Site

    Money Site hopefully is a EMD that you own and host.

    Tier 1 are freehost sites such as WP,Tubmlr, Squidoo, etc. , or Wiki's Profiles

    Tier 2 is SB and xrummer. . ..


    If you wanted to get more wild. . theoretically you could create a deeper building structure

    Tier 4 ---- Tier 3 ---- Tier 2 ----- Tier 1 ---- Money Site

    IN this case Tier 4 = SB and Xrummer
    Tier 3 = Profiles, Wiki's, Etc.
    Tier 2 = WP, tumblr, squidoo, etc.
    Tier 1 = EMD similar to your Money site topic you buy and host. . .

    You can go as deep as you want. . . but it all depends on how difficult the keyword you are trying to hit is.
     
  14. Techxan

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    The whole idea is to take advantage of the power the links pass from one domain to another.

    Suppose my site has a total of 10 "points" of link juice. If I link to two sites, half of my passable link juice goes out to each ink and increases the link juice of their targets.

    If you have a main site "A" that is your money site, you build a second web property, site "B" about the same subject, and link it to site "A".

    This second web property passes it's link juice down the link to your "A" site.

    The more link juice you pour into the "B" site by building links, the more link juice your "A" site receives. The more "b" sites you have the more link juice you can pour into your "A" site. You can build even more tiers and point them to other tiers. Don't over do it.

    If you screw up your linkbuilding and get a penalty, the penalty will apply to the "B" (or "C" or "D") site. This site may take a hit, but your money site "A" will be left untouched. Not exactly untouched, the loss of links will be felt.

    The more BCD sites you have, the less of an impact losing one of them has on your money site.

    It works anywhere, if you have a link on Yahoo answers, you can build links to that answer, it will pass juice down the link to your site.
     
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  15. blackhaze

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    While AMR is still "somewhat" good, i don't recommend using ONLY AMR, or Scrapebox OR SenukeX for backlinks.

    AMR alone would not get you far, neither SenukeX with its web2.0 properties and Scrapebox probably not as well.... but you can use all those tools in addition to your other link building, like blog networks. Eg. interlink all kinds of backlinks, make mini link pyramids etc. ----> Link diversity <---
     
  16. warjam1945

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    do co.uk domains rank better in google uk better than the main ones?
     
  17. mrfarshay

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    I'm running a test wanted to see what you guys thought. I made a video on youtube & posted for a specific keyword. Now I wrote one long article & spun it with the best spinner.

    I placed the article on a wordpress site i own & had one link go to the youtube video while another link went to another wordpress site I own. On that wordpress site I had a link go to the youtube video & another link from that article go to LiveJournal. The livejournal article had a link going to the youtube video and then to Friendster. Friendster had a link going to the youtube video and another link leading to Gather. The article on Gather had a link to the YouTube Video and another link going to Blurty. Blurty had a link going to the YouTube Video and another link going to Wiki Spaces.

    I guess my question would be did I set this link wheel up correctly and would this help to "pass link juice"? I have heard and seen link wheels, usually which I outsource but I am trying to understand / learn how to build them myselfs.
     
  18. delspon

    delspon Junior Member

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    I think Google algorithms will soon catch onto linkwheels because they're relatively simple.
     
  19. Clicks4Cash

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    This thread is Gold.

    I just typed out a very clear detailed post outlining my question and the forums automated moderation system is being a b1tch, so I had to delete it....

    Do you create a new web 2.0 account for each linkwheel or do you use the same account for all your projects and just create a new page each time?
     
  20. Lutherblissett

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    your choice. . . ones that are already indexing, will index new pages, etc. faster. . . but it also links it all together.