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A competitor is creeping up the rankings - Shoul i buy links? (Recommendations?)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lolseo, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. lolseo

    lolseo Power Member

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    Hey guys.

    Never bought links before. I have strong rankings on one of my websites (top or 2nd) on my targeted keywords, and monetise my site via affiliate sales. A competitor with a higher DA and PA is slowly gaining ground, and i think if i don't act they'll over take me.

    They're backlink profile isn't great, ive used OSE (Paid) and a free Ahrefs & Majestic SEO to look at their backlink profile for the page that is competing against me.

    The quality of the links isn't great, just some free press releases, and what looks like private blog network posts.

    My current link building for this site has largely been web 2.0 tiered link building, along with a very small amount of blog directory & web directory submissions and a few guest posts. I've not built any links for a few weeks now as i've been "sitting pretty" but i noticed my competitor creeping up the rankings, they're in the 4th/5th positions. Due to this im going to pick up again on my link building, along with setting up a 2nd site (on separate hosting) so i have more of a presence on the first page between 2 domains.

    Im going to add links via my web 2.0 profile, submit free press releases, submit articles to article directories and submit my site to blog and web directories. I will aggressively be pushing this, along with looking for guest blogging opportunites.

    There DA is higher than mine, (theres is 30 and mine is only 19). Im considering buying some links to further strengthen my rankings for my targeted keywords, and to boost my DA. Would this be wise? I've never bought them before, so id be looking for some recommendations for trusted sellers on BHW?

    What do you guys recommend?

    Kind Regards
     
  2. Cryptocurrency

    Cryptocurrency Registered Member

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    If you want to outrank them for a couple of weeks, and then get penalized, go ahead and buy as many crappy blog network posts as you like.
     
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  3. jaselc

    jaselc Regular Member Premium Member

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    Just be careful if buying links, as you usually end up with crappy links that don't do much good. Keep adding content and build links gradually and you should stay on top of the game.

    And don't over do your keyword density!!
     
  4. tony_d

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    Congrats for being 1yr old on BHW and never buying links :p that would have taken some willpower.

    If they're in 4th or 5th now, I'd let them keep going and see if they do in fact over take you.
    What about those in #2 and #3, how is their PA/DA? Nearer to yours, or nearer to this competitor you're worried about? If nearer to this competitor, I'd suggest the battle will be between those sites and this competitor, rather than you...

    Don't underestimate the 'ranking distance' that can sometimes exist between even #3 and #1 - it can be significantly more work to get from #3 to #1 than from #16 to #3.

    In a nutshell - all I'm saying is, wait and see what happens... they could do something silly and self-extinguish, which would indeed be the best outcome for you!
     
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  5. sudorank

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    As far as i see you have two choices.

    1. Report the website to Google for being part of a blog network. I'll leave that suggestion up to your black hat conscience.

    2. Is the website pretty new? If so point your xrumer / gsa at it and set phasers to gay porn, foot fetish, dogging, scat..... You know what i mean :cool:

    3. Build your website up as an authority with a strong brand. It's very difficult to outrank properly branded company domains these days. Obviously nothing is bulletproof in SEO but owning a strongly branded domain that's a good few years old is about as good as it gets.

    I know i'm gonna get flamed for this but personally i would use all three tactics. If your competitor is already using BH tactics to beat you then it's his problem if he gets BH tactics used in return.
     
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  6. Vonais

    Vonais Power Member

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    You're a dick. Do shit to your own site, not others.
     
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  7. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Too tired to flame but you realise Google loves seeing these types of post. We end up doing their job for them.
    Blackhatter destroying Blackhatter, chances are high the competitor may be a member here.
    This tit for tat could end up destroying both sites.

    The time and energy spent carrying out Negative SEO might be better spent on improving OP's site.
     
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  8. Beven

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    If you're already good enough as it is to be ranking where you are, I think your best option would e to continue doing what you're doing.

    You'll remain in full control over your SEO efforts. Just scale up your plan!
     
  9. lucasbraydon

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    Don't listen to this idiot, he is so shit at SEO that this is what he does. Obviously not worth taking advice from somebody who is THAT shit at SEO! Plus he probably got bullied at school and now uses the internet to do shady stuff where he knows nobody will see him. I hope he grows a set of balls one day I really do.
     
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  10. lolseo

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    Everything ive done thus far has been manual, and its worked, but that was because competition was low. There was only 1 website targeting the exact keywords i was, ive managed to outrank them for all keywords except 1 (they are #1 and im number 2) but for all my other keywords i've outranked them.

    The competitor that is creeping up was created in december 2012, so is about 9 months older than my site. My homepage has the content on that their individual page has. Ive been aware of the site for a while, but only in the past few days have i noticed that my competitor is on page #1 of google for this set of terms im attracting.

    They've actually overtaken me (they are number 2 and im number 4) for a word i was tacking (although its only 210 search, and i haven't done any on or off page optimisation for it, i just happened to start ranking for it).

    Whilst i confidently was able to beat my competitors as i was ascending, i am worried about maintaining this position. I was aware that this page existed on their site some time ago, but i had never seen it on page 1 so did not see it as direct competition.

    My competitor will have blatantly bought links, and the thing that worries me most is that their DA is much higher than mine.

    In an effort to improve my DA (currently 19) what specific actions/types of links do you guys recommend?

    My competitor has a facebook following of over 7000 likes and specific posts on their site have hundres of G+1, likes and tweets. What makes me think that they've bought likes is because there more recent posts have 0 comments, and 0 likes / tweets g+1. It looks like theyve bought social signals on their 'key' pages.

    Id rather be proactive in my efforts and start defending and strengthening my position, as opposed to just letting them over take me.

    Is the general consensus to not purchase links? How about social signals or social followers? Should I purchase either of these?

    I've always been white/grey hat. Producing good quality content to post on my money site. I manually spin content for my tier 1 web 2.0 links. I produce unique content for guest posts / article directories. I submit to directories & blog directories manually. I then use kontent machine for tier 2 content, and use GSA to build my tier 2 links.

    A quick look at my competitiors backlink profile shows links that i can only conclude have been bought, or are automated links using spun content (poor grammar and content between links being very similar). This has led me to thinking i may need to start spending money on services, as opposed to doing everything myself.

    Any help would be awesome. Over the Xmas break (i had 2 weeks off) i was considering quitting work and investing more time into my internet marketing efforts as im making enough to live off at the moment, and the extra time id be able to invest and make more. However if this 1 site is bumped down in the rankings im screwed, so do not yet want to take that risk.

    Look forward to hearing your answers and sorry for the long post!
     
  11. Amsterdammer

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    I am not an expert but remember something about link velocity. You stopped building for a few weeks now and the competition kept working.
    If the links are blatantly bought, G will catch up and deal with him.
    Should always have multiple income streams before you start depending on it. Some say 3, others 5 but in the end it comes down to not betting on one horse.

    Hope this helps, please ignore if it doesn't. :p
     
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    ^ never depend upon one site.

    copy links of that old #1 site + buy some links from high authority sites. 2-3 good links will be enough to out rank him.

    -=-
     
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    If you're going to be buying links make sure that they're high-quality. There's so many people that offer "quality backlinks" only to see your backlinks coming from a Tumblr porn page..
     
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    Testing out with paid links on a ranked website might not be the best idea. What you want to do is get a test site where you can test different services, and only do what works on the money site.

    The amount of risk you are taking when buying links depends on the quality of links you buy.
     
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    I understand your hesitance, but I think SEO is perhaps the most 'real' manifestation of the concept of either innovating, or dieing. So, maybe time to innovate a little?

    A softly-softly approach in your case may be to build ~20 good quality sape links to 5 of your existing web 2.0's. I think that's a good 'safe' bet, and will significantly bolster your ranking, and should even lock you in at #1.

    Is this new competitor using sape links, either at his money page or at his 2.0's? If not, you'll 100% certainly outrank him.
     
  16. lolseo

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    My knowledge of SAPE links is that they are a russian blog network. Outside of that, i have no further knowledge of them, so I wouldn't know how to identify if my competitor is using SAPE links, or how to buy them... any recommendations?

    And is it not a good idea to buy Sape links and point them at money site?
     
  17. mindlesswizard

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    Keep calm and continue with your SEO !! You must be worried at the moment but if you are doing SEO ... go for long term and build quality links to your site. Slowly you will have solid backlinks to your site !
     
  18. lolseo

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    It's not a blog network, rather, it's a Russian-language 'mission control HQ' for buying and selling links. Hence, it's important to use a provider who filters well, because there are ALL types of sape links available, including low quality viagara links and other types that would kill your site super fast, like foreign language sites, blacklisted sites, spammy sites, etc.

    I use the Speed Rank BST here on BHW - have done several times, and each time it's great.

    And indeed - don't point them at your money site... point them at your web 2.0's and you'll be all good.
     
  20. lolseo

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    Thanks for the quick reply, is this the package you're talking about ? http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...oogle-page-ranking-service-has-evolved-7.html

    Im going to start creating new web 2.0 profiles, and building new links on my existing web 2.0 profiles as of today as a manual action.

    Im also looking to buy some social signals & facebook followers. Any recommendations for these services?