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A beginners chances

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by tixpf, Dec 1, 2013.

  1. tixpf

    tixpf Regular Member

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    Didn't really know what to name the thread title without making it overly complicated..

    In the last couple of years I've been involved with a lot of, let's call it 'scene stuff', including carding, usage of RATs, etc. Inevitably I also came in contact with Blackhat SEO, which usually was kind of the most interesting one IMO. I had a couple of projects and got some experience, but everytime I decided to give it another try, I've come to the conclusion, that it's just too complex. I've always gotten the feeling, that you either have to be extremely interested in HTML, CSS and SEO in general, to actually generate a mentionable income from website hosting, or that you need professional assistance, or have to be a professional in the SEO business yourself (e.g. someone who works at a SEO related company).

    I'm definitely not someone who just abandons a project as soon as it gets difficult, but the whole SEO thing (WhiteHat and BlackHat) always appeared to be way too difficult and complex for the potential reward. Especially if you're someone who doesn't have any experience in this stuff, at all.
    But I realised that these were only my experiences and just my point of view and I'm no expert. So I decided to ask actual experts to settle this issue once and for all (at least for myself):

    1. Is it possible for a beginner (I'm talking about being a bloody rookie) with few to none SEO skills to actually make a (mentionable) profit?
    2. How long would you say does it take for a beginner to generate the first profits?
    3. Where would you set the limitations for someone who's not a SEO expert and probably never will be (project complexity wise and money wise)?



    It's really hard for me to not make this thread sound like your typical 'HOW DO I GET RICH WITH MY WEBSITE??? PLEASE HELP!!!' thread, since english isn't my first language. I do realise how much potential there is in this business. I'm rather trying to figure out, if it's worth spending a lot of time and maybe money into this, or if it will most likely turn out to be a huge disappointment and waste of my ressources.
    I really hope you're getting what I'm trying to say here.

    Thanks guys.
     
  2. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    it sounds like you can't see the forest because of the trees...apply what you know from your blackhat "hacking" life to your IM life :)

    it's hard to point out "experts" in this kind of field and I highly doubt there are any SEO experts here... IM is advertisement and marketing. Nothing more!

    If you will read through most of the methods shared here you'll see that the phrases "rinse & repeat" and "split testing" come up a lot. That means people residing on these forums aren't experts but self thought Jacks of some trades...

    IM means you're going to have to commit to certain investments before seeing substantial profits...

    With the knowledge you must've gained from RAT'ing and carding you can basically apply to a CPA network and fraud the conversion pixels for leads, just be careful with the proxies you use... in my experience you can basically earn a ton of cash if you have a good number of "installs" in your network
     
  3. RushingWind

    RushingWind Elite Member

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    You've been using RATs (which I believe is the Remote Admin Tool) and think that Blackhat SEO is tough and confusing? I guess you are what they call a hax0r, you know, download stuff and do all the injection and stuff without using your own skills.Nevertheless, that ain't the topic so I shall try to help you out.


    First thing about this game is, never start out by asking how much money you can make with the skills of a newbie.
    Look around the forum, jump into whatever feels more comfortable, work your way into different fields. This is how the game is played.
    Many people may suggest that CPA is a good option for beginners but ney, what a person finds easy depends totally on him. So the best choice here would be to read around the forums.
    Good luck.
     
  4. tixpf

    tixpf Regular Member

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    No not at all, but I'm not ashamed to admit that even though my coding skills aren't that bad, my website related skills are actually quite limited. And as I've already mentioned, maybe I'm seeing this from a wrong perspective, but to me generating backlinks, building a network and connections with other people to exchange links, promote your website, etc. is way different from coding, since it's more like working out marketing strategies.

    See, this is where it gets me all confused. I thought that BlackHat SEO was the art of generating clicks, traffic, etc. by using non-allowed methods. A lot of the tutorials I've seen rather looked like, let's call it intelligent use of ressources'. The sticky thread from that guy talking about how he made money with uploading eBooks to warez sites and collecting the money from the refs who signed up using his link, how is that in any way related to BlackHat SEO?
     
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  5. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    I was just about to recommend lmxftw has said already. If you're looking to get into IM as a general thing rather than just the SEO side, combining slaves and CPA is EXTREMELY profitable.

    Just remember to dilute your conversion rate and spread yourself across a number of networks or you'll find yourself in a lot of trouble.
     
  6. RushingWind

    RushingWind Elite Member

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    We all have to start somewhere. No one is born an internet marketing genius generating half a million in 8 months. Like I already said, you should try reading around the forum and learn the game. There are quite some nice and detailed threads that may really help you.
     
  7. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    Yes. That's the true meaning of BlackHat IM... tricking the systems to think you made a sale... but those subjects aren't really discussed here and are mostly frowned upon on this forum and, I think, on all the public forums since it's fraud and can lead to more serious accusations :)

    The eBook method works just like any other warez method and yes it can benefit the SEO part of a website:

    Inject link into a needed resource (plugins, themes, scripts or even into a whole content management platform installer)
    Share it on a warez site
    Wait for links to come to your site
    ???????
    PROFIT!

     
  8. tixpf

    tixpf Regular Member

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    So let me sum this um and see if I understood you correctly.
    What you're saying is that instead of focusing all my efforts on a very specific niche of BlackHat IM, which was BH SEO in my example and focus on getting to know BlackHat IM in general and start from the top and work my way down to a niche that fits my set of skills the most, I'd be better off and there shouldn't be any reason, why I won't be successful. Is thar more or less what you were trying to tell me?