Didn't really know what to name the thread title without making it overly complicated.. In the last couple of years I've been involved with a lot of, let's call it 'scene stuff', including carding, usage of RATs, etc. Inevitably I also came in contact with Blackhat SEO, which usually was kind of the most interesting one IMO. I had a couple of projects and got some experience, but everytime I decided to give it another try, I've come to the conclusion, that it's just too complex. I've always gotten the feeling, that you either have to be extremely interested in HTML, CSS and SEO in general, to actually generate a mentionable income from website hosting, or that you need professional assistance, or have to be a professional in the SEO business yourself (e.g. someone who works at a SEO related company). I'm definitely not someone who just abandons a project as soon as it gets difficult, but the whole SEO thing (WhiteHat and BlackHat) always appeared to be way too difficult and complex for the potential reward. Especially if you're someone who doesn't have any experience in this stuff, at all. But I realised that these were only my experiences and just my point of view and I'm no expert. So I decided to ask actual experts to settle this issue once and for all (at least for myself): 1. Is it possible for a beginner (I'm talking about being a bloody rookie) with few to none SEO skills to actually make a (mentionable) profit? 2. How long would you say does it take for a beginner to generate the first profits? 3. Where would you set the limitations for someone who's not a SEO expert and probably never will be (project complexity wise and money wise)? It's really hard for me to not make this thread sound like your typical 'HOW DO I GET RICH WITH MY WEBSITE??? PLEASE HELP!!!' thread, since english isn't my first language. I do realise how much potential there is in this business. I'm rather trying to figure out, if it's worth spending a lot of time and maybe money into this, or if it will most likely turn out to be a huge disappointment and waste of my ressources. I really hope you're getting what I'm trying to say here. Thanks guys.