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a 302 from a spammed site dropped rankings for my MS

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Paulie W, Jun 25, 2014.

  1. Paulie W

    Paulie W Regular Member

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    A while ago I started a thread whether a 302 from a spammed site could hurt the rankings of the targeted money site. Everybody said that I shouldn´t worry since it is just temporarily it won´t have a negative effect.

    I tried it out and after a few days the ranking dropped for all KW´s. The drops were not huge (3-6 positions), but since all the main KWs were in the Top 10, most of them Top 5, it is a big difference being #4 or #8. I don´t think it´s a g00gle dance, because 1.) the site has been slowly but steady moving up the last month and 2.) all KW´s were effected. Usually a google dance effects only a few KW´s and 1 or 2 positions max. in this niche, so I never experienced something like that in this niche before. Also, for one of the KW´s I was ranking #2 for months, even that dropped to #7.

    a little background: my MS is 1 year old and the comp. is medium. the spammed site is only 2 weeks old.

    I checked whether some big links were deleted in the last few weeks, but this wasn´t the case. When checking the links I double checked, that it was really a 302 and not 301. I noticed though that the BL´s and a 301, which are pointing to the redirected spammed site, were listed as BL´s for my MS. Also the CF and TF rose significantly after the 302, because the most powerful links came from the spammed site. How can that happen if the link juice is not flowing through a 302?

    2 Days after the drop I removed the 302. After another 2 days my MS recovered (KW´s are in avereage 1 position lower than they used to be), while the spammed rose a few positions to the 1st page.

    I know that in theory the 302 couldn´t effect my MS, but imo there is enough evidence that it did. I will run a few case studies in the future and post my results if they are significant.

    What do you think about this? has any of you made some similar experiences?
     
  2. sudorank

    sudorank Power Member

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    So what you're saying is that you could hold someones rankings ransom with this tactic? :eek:

    If that's the case I dunno if you should post about it mate, the less people that know the better IMHO. Be interesting to see if anyone else has had similar experience though, I only ever work with 301's so don't have any experiences of 302 redirects.
     
  3. Paulie W

    Paulie W Regular Member

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    I think it´s not a big deal since there are other well known strategies which are working better for NegSEO.

    THe reason why i set up a 302 and not a 301 was to get only the visitors to my MS, but not putting it into risk. It looks like this does not work with a 302. Im still baffled though how the links including the link juice could pass trhough the 302 to the MS. this doesn´t make any sense to me.
     
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    I have no clue who claimed that 302 keep link juices while 301 flows it, I beleive that both do.

    Anyway, your case proofs that "302 doesn't flow pagerank" is BS. if you want to have a look here , you can see that a 302 was included in a manual spam action notification : http://www.seroundtable.com/google-manual-action-302-links-18727.html
     
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    Paulie W Regular Member

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    Thanks for the link, it´s really helpful! When I did research I read always that 302 doesnt pass link juice and hence is safe against penalties. Looks like that really is bs.

    So what is the alternative now? My goal is to get the visitors from the website directly to my MS, without putting my MS into risk. Is cloaking an option? At this point Im even afraid to set a nofollow link on the spammed site directing to the MS.
     
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    302 will pass link juice but less then 301 and meta redirect will pass no juice.
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    Paulie W Regular Member

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    Thank you! Completly forgot about the meta redirect, will try it out!
     
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    andrewabd Registered Member

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    Two things do not pass juice:
    - NOFOLLOW
    - Redirection through a disallowed folder (disallowed by robots.txt)

    Anything else will pass juice, if you are technical enough you should know that all servers will send 302 header by default when you do a server side redirection, Google found out quickly that they have to treat 302 this like 301 as 90% of people that used 302 did not know the difference and they just used it because it is the server default
     
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  9. Paulie W

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    In the link which ficfroc its mentioned that nofollow links can also pass a penalty, which imo is very believable.

    But the redirection through the disallowed folder looks really interesting, I will do some research on that, thanks!