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___<No Follow> Links - Your Opinion?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by pleiadian01, May 23, 2009.

  1. pleiadian01

    pleiadian01 Registered Member

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    No follow Links drive me crazy!!

    I need your opinion on NOFOLLOW links!

    Would you consider a nofollow link a dead link? I know google originally set this up to protect the higher authority sites from bloodsucking 0 pr sites that spam their links and anchor text. But i think its got out of hand...

    About 1/3 of my links are now nofollow... There are completely mixed opinions about this in the seo world - some say google still count no follow links but other so called experts say a nofollow link is a dead link.

    Im not sure if even google can make up its mind...

    What do you think or know?
     
  2. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

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    Obviously I aim for ******** but I still think that a link is a link so I will take them where I can get them. Scrapers, spiders and humans can still see the links and place them on other sites which are ******** so I drop them where I can...automation is key though.
     
  3. vis3r

    vis3r Registered Member

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    nofollow links aren't dead..yes, they do count
    make a test and see for yourself..

    pick a random keyword.. like "roflyesnomaybeso", make a website and don't mention this keyword anywhere on it, then just get nofollow links to it with the anchor text "roflyesnomaybeso" and see if it ends up in the index for that keyword
     
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    the_punisher Power Member

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    from what ive seen. yahoo follows nofollow, google doesnt
     
  5. pleiadian01

    pleiadian01 Registered Member

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    Yeah i was thinking of doing something similar to this. I guess the only true way to find out is through 1st hand experience.

    thanks for your input man. Maybe just the page rank is discounted in a nofollow link.
     
  6. vis3r

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    If by follow you mean see it as a link, and puts it in their algo... then google and yahoo both do so... even if google doesn't show it in the link:website.com (if that's what your post was based on), it still counts nofollow links, check your website with google.com/webmaster and you'll see them all counted
     
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  7. pleiadian01

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    Yeah i was thinking of doing something similar to this. I guess the only true way to find out is through 1st hand experience.

    thanks for your input man. Maybe just the page rank is discounted in a nofollow link.
     
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    I would hate to ask this noob question; but what is the difference between nofollow and ******** backlinks?
     
  9. vis3r

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    nofollow is a property appended to the <a> html tag...
    a ******** link looks like this <a href="hxxp://w3.google.c0m">google</a>
    while the nofollow would be <a href="hxxp://w3.google.c0m" rel="nofollow">google</a>

    the difference is that the website which this link is on will either pass some of it's pagerank to the website the link is pointing to (********) or it won't (nofollow)..

    also, some search engines don't put a website in their index if it doesn't have atleast 1 ******** backlink. They do know about the website, they record the links to it, but won't put it into the index untill they find a ******** link poiting to it.. i haven't tested but this part may apply to google (i'm almost sure it doesn't) and yahoo (may be) aswell
     
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  10. Micallef

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    You may be able to get indexed using nofollow links. But in my experience, they are no use whatsoever in getting your page ranked higher. If they are of any value in ranking your site, that value is miniscule.

    If you are going to build links, concentrate on ******** (you can tell them apart by downloading SEO for firefox), and make sure your link is on a page which is PR 1 or higher. There are lots of easy ways to do this.

    Nofollow / PR 0 links may have an infinitessimal benefit, but unless they are directly in your niche and intended for driving traffic, they are not worth your time. I remember reading somwhere that the PR scale is logarithmic, so it works something vaguely like this: a PR 6 link is worth 10 times as much as a PR5, and a PR7 link may be up to 100 times more powerful than a PR6. I will be happy if anyone who knows better can correct me here :)

    Nofollows, and anything below PR1 = a waste of time, maximise your results and go for the big fish.
     
  11. pleiadian01

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    Hey man some great info there! nice one..

    What your saying is kind of disheartening. As in i can see ALOT of websites worth there weight using nofollow links... maybe google intends to take the focus off back linking i dont know.. i guess we just have to raise our game.
     
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    When time is of the essense, as it oftne is when trying to get a site rankied... ******** are the ones to look for. However, don't forget that while Google is King of the mountain, a lot of traffic also comes from the other engines, certainly cumulatively. With that thought any link can be beneficial, but ******** are the nuggets.
     
  13. Micallef

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    NoFollow was originally implemented in 2005 to try and dissuade spammers (that's us!) from going to the effort of leaving unwanted links. However, it has failed completely. Spam is as rife as it ever was, if not more so. The reason is that about half of the sites out there on the net are still ******** - they're just harder to find because mainly they're not wordpress blogs or blogger blogs.

    Here's a tip on finding dofollows you can comment on - find a site that has a lot of spam on it, then put some of the URLs being "promoted" into backlinkwatch . com. There, you'll get a list of all the sites they've successfully commented on. When you've found an easy target, see if you can find more like it by searching google for "powered by ...." at the bottom, or doing a site: search to find other pages with high PR. I follow this method and I haven't even seen a NoFollow page in the past week.

    Good Luck
     
  14. Albert

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    It is simple what so ever. Matt Cutt's video has one said it and has said it again that links with nofollow has no value what so ever. Although it may show up as a backlink, it will not improve your rankings nor your page ranking, making the backlink seem useless.
     
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    I look at it this way, Big G wants things to be natural. If you only do what will benefit your site, That is NOT natural.

    If it takes no more effort to do ******** and nofollow links with your favorite spam tool, go for it.

    I have NEVER seen that nofollow hurt you.
     
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    Albert @16 you might want to take Mr. Cutts videovomits with a large portion of NaCl, to speak his geeky style - check his blog and post on Neal Stephenson's Anathem... that guy is just a funny frontend to keep Google "friendly"; look behind the smoke and mirrors.
    DrJekyll @17 and thisoldhat @13 are both right. don't go doing time-wasting tests to confirm something common sense whitehats know already. I second both their opinions on this. This is not an attempt to flame or hijack the thread, apologies if seen so.
     
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    My understanding the only thing no follow links lack is that they do not pass pagerank. Also you need do follow,no follow,naked urls, etc. You need to have a natural looking link profile.
     
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  18. pleiadian01

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    Well there seems to be 2 definate opinions on NOFOLLOW links.

    -They count for serps but do not pass on the page rank

    -They have little if any relevance anymore and will not help at all in boosting rank, yet will not harm your site either.

    Either way ill be making sure any links i attain will be ******** - not that nofollow links do any harm i just dont want to be wasting my time. Having said that to look natural some nofollow links should be aquired ..... hhmmm
     
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    So they would have absolutely no purpose within a linkwheel? I know hubpages is 'nofollow' until a certain score is reached, but I ran across a thread that explained the workaround. I cant find that thread anymore.. Anyone know how to get around this?
     
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    They do not help for SERP's and Google does not follow them, just as the name implies.

    For example, i have a PR7 site and the "Contact" link has been nofollow since the site was built 2 1/2 years ago. The contact page is not indexed, and the Apache log files shows Google has never hit it despite having a sitewide link on a PR7 domain with numerous PR6 subpages pointing at it.

    There is rare situations where Google will use it for identification such as a nonsense query like you mentioned. This is a last ditch attempt to show "something" that matches. Again, Google doesn't visit your page through the nofollow they base it on the code in the page linking to you.

    Try it for something even mildly competitive, it won't work.
     
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